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December 07, 2009 – Comments (25)

I saw these two stories today, can't believe government wastes tax dollars and resources on this one.  This is a gross abuse of power to say the least.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2010435946_danny06.html

http://consumerist.com/2009/12/irs-tells-single-mom-shes-too-poor-must-be-lying.html

As if government isn't in debt enough to totally waste resources on this one.

25 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On December 07, 2009 at 10:21 AM, russiangambit (29.23) wrote:

IRS is a bully, they prey on weak and uneducated.

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#2) On December 07, 2009 at 10:46 AM, tgarci2 (68.14) wrote:

Wow!  The fact that the IRS is a complete load of crap to begin with makes those 2 articles piss me off even more.  They initiated the Income tax for times of war, then cancelled it when wars ended to help fund them.  Now we have between 20-40% of our money going to this tyrannical institution that feeds socialist programs (~$500billion annually). 

 It's beyond time for us to wake up and KEEP what is ours.  I'm tired of working 4 months out of the year for free so that some lazy tools can do nothing and get paid for it!  Contact your congressmen, contact your senators, tell them you've had enough or soon we won't have enough money to have a voice.

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#3) On December 07, 2009 at 11:00 AM, kdakota630 (29.55) wrote:

Ridiculous.

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#4) On December 07, 2009 at 11:05 AM, IIcx (< 20) wrote:

This is disgusting and an abuse of power. The people at the IRS responsible for this should be fired.

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#5) On December 07, 2009 at 11:09 AM, russiangambit (29.23) wrote:

> The people at the IRS responsible for this should be fired.

And all the costs incurred by the woman have to be repaid with 20% interest, just like IRS does when it is owed money.

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#6) On December 07, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jstegma (29.17) wrote:

Typical IRS mentality.

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#7) On December 07, 2009 at 11:23 AM, BravoBevo (99.97) wrote:

dwot:  Thanks for sharing. Wow!  To think about how hard it is for that mom and what the IRS is doing to that family just raised my blood pressure by 10 points.

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#8) On December 07, 2009 at 11:32 AM, outoffocus (22.83) wrote:

I don't understand.  Under IRS rules, those grandchildren should be claimed by the grandparents, unless I missed something.  The grandparents probably can't claim EIC but if the kids are under 18 they should get the additional child tax credt.  The article did not do a good job of proving why the grandparents cant claim the grandchildren.

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#9) On December 07, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Melaschasm (62.35) wrote:

She made two mistakes.  One, poor people like her are supposed to go on welfare, foodstamps, etcetra.  Two she lives with her family, to save money.  She should be living in government subsidized housing.

The US welfare system is designed to punish work, marriage, and strong family support systems.

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#10) On December 07, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Gingerbreadman55 (30.22) wrote:

Melaschasm

HAHA too true. But I never would have thought that choosing not to live off of handouts would make you a target and lead to punishment. Shocking, really.

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#11) On December 07, 2009 at 2:57 PM, eldemonio (98.93) wrote:

What a shame.  Squeezing a little over a grand out of someone who truly needs it is a travesty.  Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime at it's worst.  Where's the ACLU when you need them?

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#12) On December 07, 2009 at 3:00 PM, pastordisaster (< 20) wrote:

She obviously didn't report her tips, the IRS was spot on.

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#13) On December 07, 2009 at 3:15 PM, BravoBevo (99.97) wrote:

This family's ordeal reminds me that thirty years ago I briefly worked in a government agency (not the IRS), and they had a saying that they'd say among themselves (as if it were a joke).  It goes like this:

"Doing a deal with [the agency] is like making love to a gorilla. You're not done until the gorilla says you're done."

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#14) On December 07, 2009 at 3:30 PM, eldemonio (98.93) wrote:

Hopefully that gorilla isn't taking Viagra.

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#15) On December 07, 2009 at 4:01 PM, UKIAHED (35.93) wrote:

Come on folks - a few things you should have caught by reading the first article:

She couldn't believe it. She made $18,992 the previous year cutting hair at Supercuts. A few hundred of that she spent to have her taxes prepared by H&R Block.

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A few weeks ago she paid back $1,438 (plus penalties and interest!) on that issue.

Now a look at the H & R block Guarantee:

The H&R Block Guarantee is included with every tax return we prepare. If H&R Block makes an error on your return, we'll pay resulting penalties and interest. If you are audited, we'll explain your audit notice and the documentation you should provide to the auditor.

Anyone wonder why she is paying penalties and interest when she had her return prepared by Block?

Why didn't the reporter call the H & R Block office that prepared the returns?

They racked up $10,000 in accountant bills

Oh for god's sake.  I've never charged that much to represent a client with this simple a case.  (I don't even charge that much for basic Corp audits).  

An EIC audit should take any reasonable accountant about 2 hours to complete. Add in an hour or 2 to prep for the audit. In the event that you get a ****head auditor - take the loss and go to appeals - it takes about an hour to get this cleared in appeals.

In my 20+ years - I have only had to take 2 of these to appeals.  Not one that I thought qualified for EIC was lost.

Something here just does not seem right - and I do not think it is the IRS in this case.  The IRS should be auditing every level of taxpayer.  Some people who get EIC do cheat. Was the IRS wrong?  Without the actual facts - I cannot say for sure.  But I can say that she had no business defending herself in person (any more than you should defend yourself in court). 

Should she HAVE to be defended against the IRS?  We have a selt-reporting system in this country (you file the return not the IRS), the only way to keep the system fair (as in comply with the law) is to audit a portion of returns to ensure accuracy... so yes, she got the short end of the stick and needs to prove the return she filed.

Disclosure - I do not work for H & R Block or the IRS.

 

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#16) On December 07, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Vet67to82 (< 20) wrote:

The USA IRS is under the misconception that they are GODS.  The IRS can lie, commit perjury, steal, commit Liable and slander, wire fraud, extortion, mail fraud, theft, grand theft, etc  ... and no one can hold the IRS accountable ... WHY NOT?

 Per the USA Constitution, Judges hold their office while on good behavior.  Check it out.  It's there.  Are judges that IGNORE the perjury by the IRS, allowing the IRS to call their CRIMINAL activities a mistake ... on good behavior?  No, of course NOT. 

Sooner or later, the USA IRS is  going to rob the wrong guy, or gal, ... and they're going to find they ARE (1) NOT gods, and (2) they ARE accountable

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#17) On December 07, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Option1307 (29.72) wrote:

Sad state of affairs...

Any room up north Dwot? I can't handle this stuff anymore!!!

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#18) On December 07, 2009 at 11:46 PM, angusthermopylae (39.69) wrote:

I believe that this particular incident came about for two reasons:

1.  What everyone has said so far:  The IRS works in a realm where they have little to no court oversite (administrative judgements and all that), which fosters an attitude of arrogance.

2.  Alstry is right *ducks*:  Government cash flow is getting worse and worse, and they have to--no, strike that...they will--squeeze every dollar they can--which leads to situations like the one dwot has brought up.

Ohio's DMV, for example, has gone to 2 year vehicle registration renewals.  This will probably get them more money in the short term, but I believe it's exactly the same error made by others:  0% financing by the auto companies after 9/11 (and suddenly they were strapped for cash after two years) and Cash-for-Clunkers (post-CFC sales dropped precipitously--we're still waiting to see if they come back).

But regardless of the short-sighted decisions (or the hard choices...pick your terminology), govt institutions are going to be trying to get blood out of stones wherever they can for the next few years.

It's a bad time to be indebted to or owing the government.

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#19) On December 08, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Harold71 (22.86) wrote:

"Taxation with representation ain’t so hot either." -Gerald Barzan

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#20) On December 08, 2009 at 7:32 AM, whereaminow (20.29) wrote:

Taxation, even if popularly supported, is still theft. It is still robbery. Why should people be shocked when the person holding the purse and the gun suddenly decides to pick off the low hanging fruit?  You should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting such evil institutions.

No matter how evil, good, democratic, or despotic the rule is, every tyrant in history has existed thanks to popular support.

Wake up, sheep.

David in Qatar

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#21) On December 08, 2009 at 4:33 PM, tgarci2 (68.14) wrote:

David in Qatar, I am no sheep...I'm a fox in the sheep's skin, conniving and stealthy...except I forgot to practice my animal sounds.

 Moooooooo

 

 

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#22) On December 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM, 292972826 wrote:

The purpose of auditing out of the range of normal income, is to investigate possible criminal activities. Drug dealers for example do not declare a lot to the IRS but still have a very good living...Those kinds of investigation are not always wasteful...

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#23) On December 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM, BravoBevo (99.97) wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but clipping greasy hair at Supercuts and bringing 2 kids (and no spouse) to live with you under your parents' roof is not what I'd refer to as "a very good living."

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#24) On December 11, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Starfirenv (< 20) wrote:

Boom- good luck wk 14. Huge for you. So much for your red thumb wk 13.Go stand in the corner with the Puppies and the Animal.  Marauders are the only contender to get by the RZ.
 Just sayin' luck to you. Regards... 10 Cents...ton-o-sno BTW.

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#25) On December 11, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Tastylunch (29.23) wrote:

Whoever authorized this witchhunt should be fired and be forced to pay her fees.

ai yi yi what idiocy.

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