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UPDATED AGAIN: 300 point up (+3%) days are bad signs for the market | RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE

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December 16, 2008 – Comments (15) | RELATED TICKERS: SPY , TWM , UWM

This is a follow-up to my prior 4 posts regarding +300 point rallies like the one today. Unless a 300 point rally occurrs at "a bottom" it is bad news during a bear market.

Additionally those of you who are touting this rally as the new bull market probably need to be reminded that there were 4 +20% rallies from 1929 to 1932 as the market lost 80% of it's value. 

Violent moves upward are one of the few dependable signs that you are in the midsts of a bear market and not a new bull market.

 

REPOST OF THE FACTS:

Here is a historical fact... There were 16 (up) +300 point days for the DOW in the 2000 to 2003 bear market. There were no 300 point days from 2003-2007 bull market. ZERO..... The first firm to make note of this (as far as I can tell) was a study by Lowry’s Reports.

They discovered that during the 2000-2003 bear market, there were sixteen three hundred-point up days in the DJIA. Despite these big surges, the market continued to make lower lows.That began in March 2000, and ended 3 years later in March 2003.

By contrast, this volatility was not present during the bull run from March 2003- October 2007. There were no three hundred-point up days during that entire period.

Conclusions:

1. This sort of market volatility is a harbinger of bad things to come.

2. Bear markets are fun to trade horrible to "own". For Example: I've had some of my best weeks in years year because these market swings are viscious, very technical, and somewhat predictable (from a technical stand point).

 

 

UPDATE:

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On a Technical Level - You just have to be short here

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Earlier this morning I summarized the red flags here

1. The market's rally ended right at the 50 day moving avg...

 - Bulls need the market to close above the 50 day moving avg and stay above it for several days before they can trust this move.

- Bears should start scaling into shorts right here.

2. Many weak stocks had great days today +10% moves were everywhere... and that is what happens at a blow off top. Look at the homebuilders for example.

 

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On a Fundamental Level - You just have to be short here

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Why is this market cheap here at 15x next year's earnings... yeah we're 15x Goldman Sachs expected earnings for the S&P 500 ($56).  

15 x $56 = 840 for the S&P 500 ... we're about 30 poitns above that)

Normalized  earnings for the S&P 500 are probably $65 - $75 without a bunch of leverage. 

15 x  $65 = 975 - we're only about 100 points below that.

 

SO ASK YOURSELF... ARE YOU FEELING LUCKY... WELL ARE YA?

 

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MY FAVORITE REAL LIFE TRADES

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I shorted went short the market via TWM and I will sell my ultra long UWM tomorrow.

I am also short RYL (homebuilder) and that remains one of my favorite shorts ... it is very overvalued relative to peers.

15 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On December 16, 2008 at 5:13 PM, DemonDoug (99.67) wrote:

I agree.  I'm annoyed I didn't get into my brokerage, i was too busy playing caps - SRS looks like a HUGE buy right now.

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#2) On December 16, 2008 at 5:20 PM, dexion10 (28.21) wrote:

DemonDoug - beware of the SRS.

 

REITS are going to surprise in Q1 because of a new IRS tax ruling that allows them to pay dividends in stock rather than cash... this could allow reits to fix their leverage issues.

ALSO:

Levered ETF's are dangerous (not just because of the leverage) but many are breaking down now  and underperforming their 1x ETF counterparts because the leveraged ETF's use options and the volatility premiums are so high that over the long term these levered ETF's will lose lots of money. 

 Lastly as folks puke up leveraged ETF's the and delever them at the lows the losses will be outsized

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#3) On December 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM, jlmjlm77 (99.73) wrote:

Dexion10 - Excellent analysis

 

 

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#4) On December 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM, murugan2 (22.70) wrote:

From my own painful experience: Leveraged ETFs are wonderfull to own for about 6 hours MAX.  If you go to the alter with your own theories and become sure that you know which way the market will go, you stand a great chance of getting burned.  On November 20, I was sure that Dow 6000 was just around the corner.  That thinking led me to hold on to SRS and BGZ beyond any reason.  Maybe you are much smarter than me or more experienced and would never do such a stupid, egotistical thing.  But if me and my measured 165 IQ and master's degree are any measure, do yourself a favor and use trailing stops when playing with the fire that is SRS or you too may be spending the next month carefully recovering from your losses.

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#5) On December 16, 2008 at 5:36 PM, rookie02 (70.40) wrote:

I would be interested to know the financial news that triggered the 10% jumps in the 30s and see how similar they are to what todays jump was in response two. It looks like the auto industry will be saved for the time being, interest rates fall to all time lows, and OPEC is looking to cut production to raise oil prices. Energies will rise in response to oil.

We are in uncharted waters as there has never been such hands on involvement by the government. Trends from prior recessions are nice statistics but i would say are not really the indicators that investors need to look to. But then again, i am just a rookie ;)

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#6) On December 16, 2008 at 5:44 PM, nuf2bdangrus (< 20) wrote:

I almost never hold SRS overnight.  75 was support, and stopped out today neutral.  Can't change it on CAPS fast enough.  That said, my limit order of 60 didn't get filled.  I'll watch it and eek in.  Use it as a hedge against long positions.  very small

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#7) On December 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, blake303 (29.98) wrote:

REITS are going to surprise in Q1 because of a new IRS tax ruling that allows them to pay dividends in stock rather than cash... this could allow reits to fix their leverage issues.

Any links that substantiate this? I have not been able to locate anything on Google. Even if the ruling allows REITs to delever, would it not create substantial dilution and favor shorting REITs anyway?

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#8) On December 16, 2008 at 6:09 PM, blake303 (29.98) wrote:

Nevermind. Found it here

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#9) On December 16, 2008 at 6:31 PM, DarkToast (96.79) wrote:

TWM -13.53% today

SDS  -9.68% today

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#10) On December 16, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Harold71 (53.71) wrote:

But if me and my measured 165 IQ and master's degree are any measure, do yourself a favor and use trailing stops when playing with the fire that is SRS or you too may be spending the next month carefully recovering from your losses.

Well thankfully I am not the only one.  I used to consider myself intelligent...hard to do after dropping a wad on SRS. 

SRS is like dynamite.  Used properly it is highly useful...but handle it incorrectly and it kills you.

The SRS fund does not track correctly.  SPG is down what 50% from late September?  Every stock is down huge I'm sure.  And SRS is punching 52 week lows.  It's way out of whack.

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#11) On December 16, 2008 at 7:06 PM, gman444 (98.52) wrote:

Nice post, Dex--some great points.  I too think it is a great time to short homebuilders---I've been riding HOV puts for a while now, and figure to ride that horse until it dies...

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#12) On December 16, 2008 at 7:50 PM, cbwang888 (27.38) wrote:

Paying dividends via stocks may not be a good news for investor of REITs. That means people have to sell stocks in order to realize their dividends in cash. Unless, people who invest in REITs are always reinvest their dividends back into stocks.

This nation will make the same mistake to have more credits going into REITs. Housing price cannot sustain without having stable income of its owner. Commerical real estate cannot sustain without good economy.

What we are seeing now is all emotional action. GS is up because the result is not as bad as expected? Didn't market blame executives of i-banks took excessive bonus (especially GS) not too long ago? Now they are rewarded again?

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#13) On December 16, 2008 at 9:17 PM, VIS46 (< 20) wrote:

Are you sugesting to unload some winners now. When is the better time to get back. I do'nt know the technical indicators like you.

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#14) On December 17, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Option1307 (30.71) wrote:

I sold all my shorts last friday for a nice profit. There was too much uncertainty upcoming with the rate cut (today) auto bailout (this week maybe) for me. I've found that the best thing to do in this amrket is not to be greedy. If you have a quick profit, take it, don't hold on for the "big one". That is just asking to get creamed. Things change daily/hourly so don't wait, act and take profits when they present themselves.

I'm looking to get back in soon, but right now I'm not sure on the direction of the market...And the best way to make money in this market is simple, don't lose it on random speculative trades...

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#15) On December 17, 2008 at 8:00 AM, dexion10 (28.21) wrote:

THANKS ALL FOR THE COMMENTS ... PLEASE REC THE POST .... I SEE ABOUT 12 COMMENTS BUT ONLY 10 RECS

 

Gmann44 -

I think Hovanian Homes (HOV) will die sometime early next year. I've heard they are selling finished lots in TX - which is one of the only "decent" markets in the US, rather than building homes.  

 

 To me this is a sign that HOV is almost bankrupt.... a home builder needs finished lots in order to build and sell inventory in 2009 (to generate cash and pay bills).... so this is suspicious.  It reminds me of how WCI sold off land positions before they filed bankruptcy.

 

Blake - the place I got the information regarding the REIT stock dividend option was via the SHO conference call. 

VIS46   - Yep I think it is time to sell winners ... I can't tell you when it'll be time to load up again but I'm hoping for lower than S&P 500 at 800  before I think about loading up on a few longs.   Currently the market valuation is discounting $60 earnings for the S&P 500 and putting a 15x multiple on them.  I think that is aggressive considering that the S&P probably won't earn > $60 until 2010.

rookie02:

I wish I new what sparked all the +20% rallies in 1929 - 1932.

But don't get too caught up on the catalysts... often the catalysts are just excuses to have a rally that the market needs to cure bullish technicals . 

For example we rallied 1000 pts this year because Geitner was announced as the Treasury Secretary...  that's a pretty ridiculous catalyst for 1000 points right?

 

Option1307

I think the time to short again was at the close on Tuesday's fed decision.  I'll cover my short if the market can break and hold above the 50 day moving avergage like China has ... but it's got to prove itself too me first.

  murugan2:

I got burned with the TZA just like you did with the SRS... so I agree.

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