Use access key #2 to skip to page content.

Lordrobot (89.89)

Warren Buffett takes $7.5 Billion stake in Goldman Sachs

Recs

1

September 23, 2008 – Comments (7) | RELATED TICKERS: GS , BAC , GE

That represents roughly 20% of Buffett's available cash. For several days I have been discussing Goldman and the patent fact that it is grossly undervalued. When I say it nothing happes, the Craps gamers come at me with their pitch forks and Medieval Times costumes posting messages to me in DruidSpeak which are of course meaningless. The guys with the 98 or higher Craps scores , play the game in dollar stocks, even though they can't short them in the real world. That is not my style. I am a long term value investor and that has been tough this year when the markets are trying to destroy everything including stocks like GS, GE, and many others and Obama wants to raise the capital gains. hmmmm I wonder if he has ever owned a share of stock in his life.

Buffett vindicates what I have been saying about Goldman. Buffett does not buy junk, knows a good value when he sees it and is putting a very large chunk of change to work in GS. Buffett is here to stay.

Why do we absolutely know that Goldman is under valued? Its valuation is 1/3 that of the most sound investment bank holding companies. GS has no mortgage exposure. Most of what they do does not require capital outlays, not in M&A which will soon be huge across the globe in banking, not in trading, not in bonds, not in investment strategies... These have been the traditional profit centers that have propelled earninigs and will continue to propell them in the future. Thus even a very conservative multiple says GS should trade at three times its multiple or well over 300 a share. It trades at roughly book at this moment.

But what does Warren Buffett know compared to Richard Bove of Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc. He and Mary Whatever? were the analysts that dowgraded Goldman and came out with a revised lower estimate and when earnings came out they looked like idiots. Let me tell you about Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Talk about an investment banker on life support... Their stock sells for $2. You can't even short it because it is self shorting stock. Q2 they lost 3 cents a share and are in the process of taking over Triad so they can lose money for triad's clients as well.

All of a sudden Bove has a lot to say about Goldman, negative of course but the point of it is that his firm Ladenburg Thalmann is a Goldman competitor as much as a mosquito can be a competitor. But the point is that when you read articles and this loon talks, he is FOS. He always tempers his arguments however by saying, "But... I wouldn't bet against Goldman." But you will send hedge funds to their doom based on your "recommendations."

The Crappers aside, Bove aside. I am setting the flag in the ground. Goldman has bottomed. The remaining 4% of shorts in the stock are going to need life support in the morning. Goldman was up about 10 points in the aftermarket. I submit that the mutual funds as stupid as they are will stop selling the bottom of this market. Mutual funds buy the tops and sell the bottoms. You can always tell their handiwork. They just sell stuff no matter how good or bad... locking in their losses.

I have to go put on my silly Knight in Armor costume and await the cryptic comments of the Crapper all stars.

 

7 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On September 23, 2008 at 8:58 PM, ChrisGraley (31.45) wrote:

Only a 5 bil initial investment by Buffet. The other 2.5 Bil is a common stock offering by GS.

 

But everythhing else is on the money.

Report this comment
#2) On September 23, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Lordrobot (89.89) wrote:

So what are you saying... that Buffett won't take the deal? The stock is up over 134 in the afterhours, so I am sure Buffett will just say "no thank you" I really don't need an extra billion dollars. I like your term "ONLY" a 5 bil investment. Well let's see now... of course what was I thinking... you're right it is chump change and Buffett's brand is meaningless. Oh if only I could short the stock. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Report this comment
#3) On September 23, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Lordrobot (89.89) wrote:

So what are you saying... that Buffett won't take the deal? The stock is up over 134 in the afterhours, so I am sure Buffett will just say "no thank you" I really don't need an extra billion dollars. I like your term "ONLY" a 5 bil investment. Well let's see now... of course what was I thinking... you're right it is chump change and Buffett's brand is meaningless. Oh if only I could short the stock. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Report this comment
#4) On September 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Tastylunch (29.93) wrote:

Actually you can short over the counter penny stocks in real life. I've done it before myself. It's difficult to find shares and very few brokerages offer the service but it's definitely doable. Everydayinvestor does that for a living.  Timothy Sykes has a made a small fortune doing it.

at any rate many of your detractors made a very high percentage of picks that weren't otc pennys anyway.

If you are interested in long only players you might want to check out players with the "yes" charm. Ronchapmanjr, Camistocks, TMFEldrehad and chk999longonly are some players that in my opinion routinely make good long calls.

I'm not sure why you seem to have such a negative attitude, if you'd post your thoughts without the pointlessly baiting and  insulting rhetoric you might get more genial and meaningful feedback.

Best of luck to you in your investments.

Report this comment
#5) On September 23, 2008 at 9:37 PM, ChrisGraley (31.45) wrote:

No, what I'm saying is the other 2.5 Bil is a common stock offering to the public and not Buffet. Buffet has a sweet 5 bil in warrants that he can and will excercise at any time he wants in the next 5 years, (making Buffet's position a potential 10 bil, but only 5 bil right now.), but I have a feeling that he'll wait a while to excercise those and he'll make a lot more than 1 bil when he does. I hope you don't think I was knocking your post, I actually agree with you totally. I was just trying to correct the numbers. GS got a 7.5 bil cash infusion today, but only 5 bil was from Buffett. 2.5 bil is a public offering.There will be a few guys that post after me that will talk about share dillution, but they just don't understand the value of a Buffett endorsement. GS understood though. It's a win/win for both sides.

Report this comment
#6) On September 23, 2008 at 9:47 PM, ChrisGraley (31.45) wrote:

Tastylunch= very funny.

And also a very good investor.

A schlub like me would love to hear some sage wisdom on the deal.

How bout it Tasty?

Report this comment
#7) On September 24, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Lordrobot (89.89) wrote:

ChrisGrately, I am just having some fun between watching OSK continue to be beaten like a carpet from a broom. How can a stinking truck company with a PE of 3 get hit down for 14% today? OSK does have about three billion in debt but they build fire engines and garbage trucks and street sweeper which municipalities buy. A month ago I wrote mgt and asked them why they were not going to go after the oil services market. Yesteday the made an anouncement that they were then Nosedive.

The problem with the small caps like this is that the largest shareholders are financials. So since the hedge shorts can't hit the financials, they hit their porfolios. That strikes me as a bit over the top. To try to destroy companies as a lark is flatly unethical.

 Like you I think the Buffett news is great for Goldman. Buffett is a great partner. His shares are stable and he rarely sells a position. This has the effect of reducing the float size. Goldman stock represents just 12% of the Goldman partners. So when they do float some more stock, they will have to be very careful not to water the stock with the 12% hoders. They are going to have to underwrite another part of the company to avoid watering. Bright future coming and bright futures in line for the market tomorrow morning.

Report this comment

Featured Broker Partners


Advertisement