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We The American Sheeple Must Deal With Our People



August 17, 2009 – Comments (14)

I had a very interesting dinner tonight with a very intelligent and successful psychologist and her over educated Ivy League University Professor husband.  The evening was going along in an uneventful fashion until Alstry posed the following question:

How can we as a nation continue to support 100,000,000 citizens when the remaining citizens do not generate enough income to support those citizens under the current structure of our economy?

If another country tried to simply monetize its citizens' consumption, we would immediately clamp down and place very burdensome restrictions on that nation's banking system.  In The Great Depression, America NEVER printed money out of thin air to offer our unemployed citizens a social safety net....and relatively speaking, the number of people in need in The Great Depression was much less than today.

It is amazing we are talking about health care "reform," when we as a nation are not earning enough under the current structure for 100,000,000 of our own citizens.  How can you talk about health care reform when you have to borrow to support over 1/3 of your population while running over a $2 Trillion dollar deficit?

It is a very interesting commentary on the priorities of our society and the failure of our government to deal with the single most important issue to ever face our nation. 

Back to the dinner with two highly educated and successful people, after a protracted period of silence following the question, niether one had a clue how to solve such a massive you?

What is even more amazing, niether had even contemplated the problem before our dinner.....what does that say about the priorities of our nation when its government has potentially unlimited taxing authority?

14 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On August 17, 2009 at 10:21 PM, jddubya (< 20) wrote:

Why didn't you follow up with a dessert of 9.09 ramblings?

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#2) On August 17, 2009 at 10:29 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

Why don't you try to answer the question....or I forgot, you contribute nothing and only whine and complain....sorry for thinking for a second you could actually contribute.

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#3) On August 17, 2009 at 11:21 PM, RonChapmanJr (30.32) wrote:

The husband must have been a Yale grad.  Those guys are idiots.  :) 

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#4) On August 17, 2009 at 11:25 PM, jddubya (< 20) wrote:

Oooh...well, if Alstry[nomics] ever read my comments then Alstry[nomics] would see that I have answered the question many times.  Alstry[nomics] needs to stop ignoring what others are commenting about.  Alstry[nomics] would also find some difficult questions put to Alstry[nomics] by many others.  But Alstry[nomics] already knows that, hence, Alstry[nomics] apparent ignorance.

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#5) On August 17, 2009 at 11:38 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

Again you avoid the question...but I do understand your frustration and seemingly misguided anger at the fact that my one day gain is practically 3X more than the total points you have managed to accumulate since becoming a CAPs player.

Now if you want to contribute, please contribute and you are more than welcome, but if you are going to heckle, may I suggest you go back to the minor leagues because you are rapidly approaching the below zero club again....where as Harvard Boy Chapman has at least earned the right to heckle or even pimp his own site by demonstrating he has what it takes to play in the big game.

You make such a good mascot, why don't you try to improve yourself and actually add something to the discussion?

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#6) On August 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


from zerohedge:

The second quarter of 2009 set a new record for the number of corporate defaults, with 82 non-financial events of default, consisting of 16 names in media and entertainment, 15 in autos and 15 in natural resources, according to a new report published by S&P. The total amount of defaulted debt was $254 billion, far larger than the $102 billion spread among 69 defaults in all of 2008.

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#7) On August 18, 2009 at 12:19 AM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


From ChicagoTrib:

You could not get a library book or see a doctor in a city health clinic Monday in Chicago, but you could pay a parking ticket or fight to un-boot your car, provided you'd wait in a line long enough for an amusement park ride. Police, firefighters and privatized parking meters were working, however, even if nothing else was.

From a security guard answering phones in the mayor's office at City Hall to a harried staff collecting payments of fines at one of the few city offices open Monday, confusion and frustration reigned in the City that Works, which by design wasn't officially working at all.

To save an estimated $8.3 million throughout the year in a tight budget crunch, Chicago picked three days, including Monday, to shut down most city services, leaving only a skeleton crew to handle emergencies and conduct necessary city business, such as collecting revenue.

About 11,000 workers stayed home Monday and will again the Friday after Thanksgiving and on
Christmas Eve. City workers also have been taking furlough days throughout the year to help reduce payroll costs.

Unlike Memorial Day,
New Year's Day or Casimir Pulaski Day, Furlough Day seemed to take city residents by surprise. The result: irritated resignation.

"That's it. Bad day," said Molly Gallardo, 58, of the Back of the Yards neighborhood, throwing up her hands after a day bouncing around the city in a failed attempt to contest a $150 parking ticket. "I came all this way. I have no gas money. I'm wasting my cell minutes. I figured I'd get this out of the way."

But she didn't. She ended up at the back of a line nearly 40-people deep only to be told by a security guard that what she was trying to do couldn't be done.

Not Monday.

The shutdown was meant to help trim payroll costs this year as the city faced a budget shortfall estimated at hundreds of millions of dollars. Furloughing employees, viewed as the least-offensive option to save money compared to layoffs, has been adopted in
Los Angeles and Milwaukee, at public universities, newspapers and even the New York City Opera.

One of the few places Chicago left open was the Chicago Department of Revenue office at 400 W. Superior St. Nearly 40 people, including Gallardo, peered around the shoulders of the person in front of them as they waited in line for 45 minutes. A crowd tried to make sense of an automated ticket-paying machine, and six beleaguered city workers tried to prevent an upheaval.

In a crowded, stifling waiting room, a man on a cell phone threw up his hands at his plight, a woman knelt in front of a stroller and tried to put sandals back on a struggling boy with a stuffed toy, and a man squatted in a corner, staring at an orange ticket and shaking his head.

"It's a total inconvenience," said Javon Williams, 29, of Hyde Park. "The lines! Look at it!"

Nursing a sore
throat in Humboldt Park, Charles Becoat tugged on the front door of the West Town Neighborhood Health Center a few times, then peered inside to find a dark, empty office.

"I just lost my job, so I was trying to just come get a checkup," said Becoat, 28, who used to work for a health insurance company.

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#8) On August 18, 2009 at 6:56 AM, JerseyShoreGirl (< 20) wrote:

IMO, Alstry, your headline should read .. "We the American People Must Deal With Our Sheeple," meaning those who have woken up must wake up the sheep!

Obviously, your over-educated prof friend needs to wake up. I had a similar dinner with a friend a few months ago .. and here is a woman who has and excellent paying job in a hospital; someone who just managed to buy her own home (IMO another sign she is misinformed) and a Gulf War veteran!!!  She had NO CLUE about anything regarding what was going on with our economy, the out-of-control spending, fiscal irresponsibility.  This is one of my best friends and I couldn't believe the difference between where we were in terms of what was going on in the world.  When I suggested that I send her a few links to sites I read, etc., she said, "I really don't have time to read the news."  Her blatant lack of desire to be informed practically knocked the wind out of me .. and to be honest, I lost a ton of respect for her at that moment.  Ignorance is blisss, I guess.  Actually no, we've had the luxury of being disengaged from our politics because our govt has been relatively stable ... maybe if 9.09, or something major, comes to fruition many will be forced to wake up!

So, why healthcare debate?? Not only is it a DISTRACTION FOR THE SHEEPLE, while the govt figures out how to dismantle the economic system .. just my opinion, we must look beyond the headlines of the mainstream media .. LOOK AT THE SHADOW AGENDA of this admin.  LOOK AT OBAMA'S MENTORS ... Bill Ayers, for example .. read this little link and you'll get an idea who has molded Obama .. and who probably continues to have his ear ... (I don't know about you but exterminating die-hard capitalists is very disturbing to me)

Buddy 'ol Bill Ayers said, "the best way to bring about change is through a revolution."  During the late 60's when Ayers committed acts of violence (bombings, etc.), the Weathermen's goal was to overthrow govt through violence .. then after they were unsuccessful, they regrouped and decided that the best way to overthrow/bring about upheaval was through educating our youth .. thus, he went into education ... He even recently made a trip down to Venezuela to compare notes with good 'ol Chavez!  Obama played down this friendship during the election, but don't kid yourself .. this man helped shape and continues to influence Obama.   

How will we continue to support the 100mm+ ppl under the current system?  Didn't you hear the audio of Obama uttering the words that the Civil Rights Movement DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH .. it was an audio (from 2001) that surfaced a few months before the election ... it was being played loud on clear on talk radio .. just never made it to the mainstream ... Here's the audio and it's critical in understanding the bigger picture of what's going on here:

OBAMA IS A LEVELER .. just like he told Joe the Plumber .. "We all benefit when we spread the wealth around." He sees our current system as unjust and wants to level the playing field for all. This whole healthcare bill is a perverse way to take MORE from achievers to give to people Obama feels has been wronged by our society .. to redistribute wealth.

How do we solve this problem of not being able to support the current demands on the system? ... through We the People and We the People only ... We need to take back our corruption-ridden .. let's only hope it won't be too late.  Continue to wake up the sheeple .. although it's not easy when this country has been indoctrinated by our liberal media.  Remember, during the American Revolution, only 30% of the ppl wanted to break free from England .. the other 70% were happy with the status quo or complacent.

Just like your over-educated prof friend who has probably never had a job in the private sector, never had to make payroll or try to make a profit in a business .. THAT IS EXACTLY WHO WE HAVE IN THE OVAL OFFICE ... A Nutty Professor, who has warped ideas of a Utopia where he is coming to the resue ... Narcissism and ignorance is a very dangerous combination.

 Oh, I could go on and on, but I'll stop here .....

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#9) On August 18, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JerseyShoreGirl (< 20) wrote:

"Does the US Have Enough Money to Solve Its Problems"

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#10) On August 18, 2009 at 8:02 AM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


City leaders, business owners and homeless advocates have crafted a plan to create a legal "safe ground" where people without permanent housing could camp without police interference.


Sacramento County officials are proposing to cut by half the inpatient beds at the main county-run psychiatric hospital and close its crisis unit because of continuing budget problems. Report this comment
#11) On August 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, alstry (< 20) wrote:

BANKS SLAUGHTERING CONSUMERS as consumers subsidize banks....

Banks have put a tight lid on lending to businesses and consumers over the past three months, and they plan to keep it that way for at least a year.

And the banks tell consumers things are getting better....

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#12) On August 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM, farmnut1985 (< 20) wrote:

Everything that has happened this year in government is getting to be to redundant, every time their is a new problem,  the gov't says "Lets just throw money at it, it used to solve things so it should work again."  Problem is we're out of money and all pissed that most of it was squandered.

 This kind of contradicts your blog 

President Obama SAVES our economy!!!!!!!!!

 Now you oppose the gov't spending, don't get me wrong I'm glad you see the problem.  Now to address the problem you posed.  Cut spending and put congress on vacation without pay.  This is a great solution in many ways for a) we do not have to pay all of our politicians b) while out of session they can't pass legislation to spend more of our, the taxpayers, money.

I have a question for you Alstry, is there a way, if gov't healthcare is passed, that we can force our senator and representatives to be on that plan?  I would also like to force them into SS just like the rest of us are.  Might give them all some incentive to not rush a bill through and write better pieces of legislation. I think congress has many intelligent people capable of doing good things for this country but they are to tied up in special interests that their judgement is clouded and no longer see what their constituents elected them to do.

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#13) On August 18, 2009 at 9:40 AM, alstry (< 20) wrote:


We are aligned....the problem right now is there is no consequence to the politician due to the apathy of the constitutents.

Just look at the kind of reaction this blog gets from the supposedly informed.

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#14) On August 18, 2009 at 10:00 AM, JerseyShoreGirl (< 20) wrote:

We are aligned....the problem right now is there is no consequence to the politician due to the apathy of the constitutents.

I really thought there would be some mechanism in place in this country to stop (investigate and prosecute) politicians who took an oath to protect the Constitution and prevent them from shredding it on a daily basis .. and being irresponsible with taxpayers' money.

Also, many constituents are screaming to AUDIT THE FED .. and make their voices heard on many other issues like spending, taxation without representation and healthcare ... but the media dismisses them as the lunatic fringe .. and politicians like Benedict Arlen Specter say their opinions "aren't representative of mainstream America."

Yes, many are clueless and apathetic but the politicians are choosing to turn their backs on the people they work for: their constituents .. let's hope Nov 2010 isn't too late .. now that's change I can believe in!

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