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July 10, 2011 – Comments (28)

 Yesterday, I pointed out the lunacy of a city code in Detroit that stopped a lady from growing food on her own property. I was shocked that such an enchroachment of rights was met by indifference. The best arguments that I got from a couple of people were that "You can't fight government" and "This isn't anywhere near as bad as the KKK." The most shocking argument that I got was that I should be exiled for bringing it up and the US should become a Fascist Police state. Well ladies and gentleman...  

 

 

A majority of the 600 to 800 camps can hold at least 20,000. The lagest one outside of Fairbanks Alaska can hold 2 million and is described as a mental health facility. The entire population of Alaska is a little over 700,000 people.

This is why you have to fight for every single right that you still have and to continue to try to get back those rights that were taken away from you for your protection or for your civic duty. We are moving in one direction here and it's not a pretty picture. 

 

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#1) On July 10, 2011 at 6:43 PM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

For those of you interested, my forced residence will be at Camp Perry Ohio if they happen to grab me. 

This is ironic because I have given a few marksmenship demonstrations there, but at least I know the area. 

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#2) On July 10, 2011 at 10:48 PM, HarryCarysGhost (99.70) wrote:

I thought Miss Bass's garden was quite nice. Well mantained She seems like an excellant neighbor in my book.

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#3) On July 10, 2011 at 11:26 PM, awallejr (83.91) wrote:

The best arguments that I got from a couple of people were that "You can't fight government" and "This isn't anywhere near as bad as the KKK."

Except that was not accurate, and I thought her garden looked hideous and I would have hated her as a neighbor.

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#4) On July 11, 2011 at 7:41 AM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

Except that was not accurate, and I thought her garden looked hideous and I would have hated her as a neighbor.

And I'm sure that you make a terrific neighbor awallejr. I'm sure such an outstanding lawyer like yourself would never pre-judge a person that you've never met. I'm sure your politcal stance has no reflection on the way you view the appearance of the garden.

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#5) On July 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM, awallejr (83.91) wrote:

You just so missed the point.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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#6) On July 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

I got the point.

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#7) On July 11, 2011 at 12:22 PM, 4thDensity (99.63) wrote:

awallejr,  take the red pill.  Just do it.  The world may not look so pretty over here, but at least you won't be willfully shackling your own wrists and convincing others to do so, too.

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#8) On July 11, 2011 at 12:33 PM, chk999 (99.97) wrote:

Detroit city has an amazing number of things wrong with it. It has it's own income tax at 2.50%. So if you have income, why would you want to live there? Then they wonder why it is full of poor people.

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#9) On July 11, 2011 at 1:05 PM, CluckChicken (34.30) wrote:

"It has it's own income tax at 2.50%. So if you have income, why would you want to live there? Then they wonder why it is full of poor people."

Really it has an "amazing number of things wrong with it" and a city income tax is the top reason you give?

NYC has between 2.907 & 3.876%, over an additional flat fee, yet not only do a very large number of people live there, a large number of very wealthy people do. http://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/2010/inc/nyc_tax_rate_150_201.pdf

 

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#10) On July 11, 2011 at 1:29 PM, chk999 (99.97) wrote:

Well, I thought the corruption and crime were givens.

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#11) On July 11, 2011 at 1:55 PM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

Detroit or NYC chk999?

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#12) On July 11, 2011 at 2:00 PM, CluckChicken (34.30) wrote:

"Well, I thought the corruption and crime were givens." 

Philadelphia has a 3.928% tax, has tossed several people in the government in jail over the last few years plus has had a noticable crime rate increase, yet the city has grown in population.

The biggest thing wrong with Detriot is there are few jobs and there dose not appear to be any on the way.

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#13) On July 11, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Acesnyper (< 20) wrote:

Detroit is America's own 3rd world nation.

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#14) On July 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

Then you have the FDA  Even less Rights. Jobs loss. Unemployment higher. Health gets worse.

Yet does the FDA do anything about MSG which is worse the cigarettes and makes you FAT? Nope.  Then  the gov says there is an epidemic of obesity and it affects health care cost.Ban fatty food and Fast food. Ban salt in cooking. Anything but what causes it. 

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#15) On July 11, 2011 at 2:47 PM, leohaas (32.40) wrote:

"Yesterday, I pointed out the lunacy of a city code in Detroit that stopped a lady from growing food on her own property. I was shocked that such an enchroachment of rights was met by indifference."

Sorry, Chris. By the time I got to read this, there were 63 comments. Not too many of them showed indifference. What I see is a passionate discussion. Nothing wrong with that.

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#16) On July 11, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Frankydontfailme (27.34) wrote:

True. Leohaas. But this isn't the mainstream. I brought this at work today and no one had heard of this travesty. 

Someone asked me if I heard this on Fox News (assuming Fox News only shows crazy stuff....not necessarily a crazy opinion)

My Chinese Coworker said she is allowed to have gardens and fruit trees in her front yard outside of Shanghai...

 

...Are we as oppressed as the Chinese? (question meant to be provocative and a little unfair)

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#17) On July 11, 2011 at 5:22 PM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

Maybe so, leohaas. But the impression that I got from the other side seemed to be "So what?"

 lquadland10,

I just emailed this to David yesterday. I am fascinated with this guys videos about common sense and sustainable and ecologically friendly farming practices.

 

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#18) On July 11, 2011 at 7:06 PM, awallejr (83.91) wrote:

awallejr,  take the red pill.  Just do it.  The world may not look so pretty over here, but at least you won't be willfully shackling your own wrists and convincing others to do so, too.

I don't have to, I have no issues with my neighbors.

 

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#19) On July 11, 2011 at 9:02 PM, ajm101 (31.93) wrote:

The camp in Alaska can house 2 million people?  Do you believe that? 

Just think critically about what you said, and how big a camp capable of housing the entire population of Philadelphia or Houston would be. 

The most densely populated areas in the US have ~50K people per square mile (NYC itself is only 25k).  That camp would have to pack them that tightly, and be more than 6 miles on each side. 

I would not trust the source that number came from.

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#20) On July 11, 2011 at 11:12 PM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

Check out zip code 99703 on google maps

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#21) On July 11, 2011 at 11:13 PM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

Make sure to zoom out a bit

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#22) On July 12, 2011 at 12:48 AM, ajm101 (31.93) wrote:

I don't see anything that could handle anywhere near that number.. enter a comparably sized city on google maps and zoom out to the appropriate scale.

This isn't to say anything about how stupid is is to prevent people from planting gardens.  But HOAs have been doing this for decades - preventing laundry lines, people raising chickens, keeping pink flamingo lawn decorations out of site, etc.  Case of Occam's razor to me, nothing nefarious.

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#23) On July 12, 2011 at 7:42 AM, jwebbzor (< 20) wrote:

The biggest thing wrong with Detriot is there are few jobs and there dose not appear to be any on the way.

I live in midtown Detroit, and I can personally tell you there are plenty of jobs available here. Many of the mechanical engineers I know that got laid off from the automotive companies have found new jobs (good paying jobs). I know of a few high tech start ups that cannot find enough competant computer engineers because they all leave the city.

Detroit in general does not have an educated workforce. Most of the people laid off from manufacturing work have not been able to find anything to replace it. However, the "knowledge workers" have been doing just fine. I've also found it very easy to network in detroit, it is an unsaturated market. There are almost no barriers to entry as the city is desperate for talent.

Detroit is only a broken city for those who are uneducated and unwilling to better themselves.

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#24) On July 12, 2011 at 10:09 AM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

I don't see anything that could handle anywhere near that number.. enter a comparably sized city on google maps and zoom out to the appropriate scale.

You aren't looking for a city. You are looking for about 500 sq mi of land that is surrounded by rough terrain to prevent escape with enough infrastructure around it (about 5 different airports) to shuttle in prisoners and supplies. Fairbanks itself would be used as housing for soldiers. The place's isolation would make it the new Gitmo. You can quickly set up temporary prisoner barracks on the base with buildings already there and then use prison labor to build more permanent structures. All you'd have to do is to secure the roads first and then start setting up electric fencing. Your prisoners will take care of building the rest of the camp.

 

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#25) On July 12, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Frankydontfailme (27.34) wrote:

My parents had to reconstruct their garage because  a neighbore complained thatthe driveway was too short according to a century old town ordinance (Rhode island town). Me, I would have taken it to court.

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#26) On July 12, 2011 at 5:45 PM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

The driveway is too short for what exactly?

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#27) On July 12, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Frankydontfailme (27.34) wrote:

Had to be more than 16 ft long. It was an aesthetic thing I believe. I don't remember the language of the law. Anyway, as a result my moms station wagon barely fits in the garage.

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#28) On July 13, 2011 at 1:26 PM, ChrisGraley (29.77) wrote:

You gotta love regulation.

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