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May 23, 2011 – Comments (9)

My original thesis with Europe has been that the leaders there tend to bicker, stall, delay, and fail to act toward cohesive goals.  Fundamentally, with so many different leaders and local politics of each country, disagreements are bound to happen.

It had looked simplistically like it was Germany versus the large debt states, with the German politics making bailouts difficult and forcing austerity on the debtor states.  The EU as a whole fought against defaulting of the debtor states because the dream of a unified EU economy and currency couldn't be failed.

Now, as Greece struggles under the imposed burdens of austerity actions (and fails to lower its deficits), it looks more like Greece will be forced to default.  Without the Euro, I am sure this would have already happened, and the matter would be contained.  So, I wondered.. why was the Euro even developed.  What was the economic theory?  

From the Federation of European Employers:

"There are numerous reasons for introducing a common currency. For most EU countries today, the majority of international trade is with other EU members. By removing exchange rate risks from the internal market, cutting the costs of transactions, and encouraging firms to trade across national borders, the common currency has made the eurozone into an area of monetary stability in Europe. It has also forced EU states to adopt responsible economic policies that contain inflation and increase real living standards."

Ok.

So has the the Euro turned the eurozone into an area of monetary stability?  Perhaps, but it also seems to have artificially strengthened Germany at the cost of other eurozone states.  And, in 2010, the Euro had great fluctuations.

Has it forced the EU states to adopt responsible economic policies?  I think this is a big failure. States attempting to enter the EU have cheated on their economic records (Greece).  Several states have too huge debts and decreasing credit rates. 

A big, implicit reason for the Euro, was to compete with the US dollar and establish a rivalling reserve currency.  There is no coincidence that this challenge could come about starting in the 1990's (after US debt ballooned through the 1980-1990 period).  Without the current eurozone issues stemming from failures of economic leadership, I am sure the US dollar would be greatly threatened now.  

However, the EU has a big failure in economic leadership.  A strong move, such as a 100-billion bailout, or agreements on loans or austerity can be reached.  However, this plan can fall apart when an election removes a party from power in Germany, France, Spain, Greece, Italy.. etc.  There are so many actors and possibilities for chaotic change that stable, strong plans (like the 700 billion US bailout) are simply not possible there.  For example, the IMF head Straus-Kahn is a possible criminal rapist, and this could now derail the economic support for the debtor countries (since he was one of the big leaders in support).  

Me, I'm betting against future bailouts for Greece now.  I think austerity kills nations, and cannot balance a budget during a recession.  All that can happen is a downward spiral of failing tax revenues, leading to cuts in private sector spending, leading to higher taxes, and worse businesses (when they are already weak).  Austerity reminds me of when a sick body, instead of working to stay strong and weather the disease, instead destroys in attempts to cure the sickness.  Greece has defaulted 5 times since the country was independent and spent a whopping 50.6% of these years in default (the worst of the European states)*.  Who would lend to such a credit risk?

The EU leadership should have made a surgical cut to eliminate the cancer of Greece back in 2009.  A single default, followed by bailout support to the big banks, could have helped the EU  move on.  To me, it looks like the unified Euro, rather than promoting economic stability and cohesiveness, instead has become a blood vessel that cancerous economic conditions will metastacize.  It didn't have to be this way.  If the eurozone would have a strong, centralized economic leadership that was not swayed by local politicians and elections - things could be much different.  I think the US Fed bank is an example of such a strong system.

-Rof

 *Reinhart and Rogoff, "This Time is Different"

 

9 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On May 23, 2011 at 10:41 PM, portefeuille (99.77) wrote:

The EU leadership should have made a surgical cut to eliminate the cancer of Greece back in 2009.

I am getting really sick of garbage of that kind.

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#2) On May 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Zugersee (< 20) wrote:

It was never a question of IF Greece should default, but WHEN.

The old addage that 'not on my watch' is what applies here. No one wants to be the person that lets Greece go into default. 

This post would have been best made when it first came out that the Government of Greece was collaborating with its Investment Banks to lie to the EU and its constituents about debt and also to obtain forms of funding that were not from more 'legitimate' debt finance agreements.

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#3) On May 23, 2011 at 10:55 PM, TMFUltraLong (99.96) wrote:

http://www.fool.com/investing/international/2011/05/12/is-greece-the-next-mike-tyson.aspx

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TMFUltraLong

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#4) On May 23, 2011 at 11:49 PM, rofgile (98.99) wrote:

portefeuille,

 I could have written in a more understated manner, but is it not true that:

 A) A default by Greece, since Greece is only a fairly small part of the world economy, would have been tolerated by the world.  

 B) The current pattern of ever-larger bailouts, combined with forced austerity is leading to a more unstable and explosive debt situation.

 C) The EU leaders have Greece as their example of how they will respond to other debtor countries that are in trouble.

 D) The Greek debt situation is unraveling as the austerity measures take their toll and Greek population (rightfully) forms opposition. 

 E) The failure of large Greek bailouts to provide the answer makes it appear that the EU has no solution for other countries which could have trouble due to changing market sentiment. 

 Altogether, this is a bad situation.  Greece could have defaulted from the start and left the EU.  Why did that have to mean the end of the euro?  Why shouldn't there be the possibility for countries to leave the euro and default without threatening the whole system.  Isn't this all a "too-big-to-fail" mentality?  

 -Rof 

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#5) On May 24, 2011 at 1:55 AM, JakilaTheHun (99.93) wrote:

Spectacular blog, rofgile.

That quote you posted for the original formation of the Euro was great.  It really goes to show how misguided European policymakers that went along with this experiment have been. 

There are so many better ways to do what the Eurozone attempted to do.  For starters, there's a private derivatives market out there that would have accomplished the Eurozone's goals much more effectively in regards to stability for corporate cash flows. 

If the Eurozone was more concerned with consumers (who would not tend to enter into derivative currency contracts like corporations), then why not just set up some sort of state-guarantee exchange mechanism?   

 

I don't even see why the Euro has to be the sole currency.  Why can't the Deutsche Mark and Spanish Pesata be used alongside the Euro?  The Euros could be guaranteed at certain exchange rates for certain periods (e.g. one month).  

 

I guess the point I'm driving at here is there are about a million different ways the Eurozone could have accomplished its goals without depriving its individual members states of a monetary policy and sovereign currency.   While there are some minor advantages associated with having one currency in the Eurozone, there are absolutely major disadvantages that overwhelm it. 

I can't claim to know what the Eurozone will look like 5 or 10 years from now, except to say ... I'd wager it will look radically different.  This union is completely unsustainable in its current state.  Either there will have to be major reforms, several nations will leave the currency, or the Euro will cease to exist altogether. 

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#6) On May 24, 2011 at 2:12 AM, portefeuille (99.77) wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty

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#7) On May 24, 2011 at 9:20 AM, rofgile (98.99) wrote:

Expanding on this:

"The EU leadership should have made a surgical cut to eliminate the cancer of Greece back in 2009.  A single default, followed by bailout support to the big banks, could have helped the EU  move on.  To me, it looks like the unified Euro, rather than promoting economic stability and cohesiveness, instead has become a blood vessel that cancerous economic conditions will metastacize.  It didn't have to be this way."

 Much of Greece's debt is denominated in the Euro, and leaving the Euro for Drachmas will not change this.   The necessary solution is to reduce Greek debt.  One option that has been suggested, would be for the EU bailout fund to use their money to purchase Greek bonds/debt directly rather than supply more debt in the form of loans.  Another option would be restructuring of the debt (ie "default"), where those who made loans to Greece take a big haircut on the debt or interest payments.  

 If Greece had never entered into the euro, they would have had more options for dealing with the problem especially if their debt was denominated in a local currency (they could devalue their currency).  

 -Rof 

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#8) On May 24, 2011 at 10:20 AM, ChrisGraley (31.89) wrote:

Greece already broke the Maasticht treaty port

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#9) On May 25, 2011 at 2:22 AM, Zugersee (< 20) wrote:

Everyone has broken the Maastricht treaty including Ze Germins

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