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Why California's a Mess, In one Sentence

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January 07, 2010 – Comments (27)

From today's Wall Street Journal:

"California spent 11% of its budget on corrections versus 7.5% on higher education."

A friend in SanFran whose wife is a 3rd grade teacher tells me his wife's class size increased 22% on the same day San Quintin -- SanFran's max-security prison -- was given a  grant to purchase new flat screen TVs for the inmates. I didn't really beleive it until I read this article, describing San Quintin's new hospital: "inmates can sit in padded chairs watching a large flat screen TV while they wait for treatment."

Awesome. 

 

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#1) On January 07, 2010 at 11:06 AM, brickcityman (< 20) wrote:

Funny, I always thought it was a combination of two factors:

 

Candy-store-esque Ballot initiatives and intentional decoupling of property taxes from property "value".

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#2) On January 07, 2010 at 11:09 AM, TMFHousel (93.91) wrote:

Well, yeah ... that's the big reason. I didn't intend for this post to come off as corrections being the reason the state is a zillion bucks in the hole. But it's a shocking example. 

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#3) On January 07, 2010 at 11:12 AM, PeteysTired (< 20) wrote:

 intentional decoupling of property taxes from property "value".

Did CA experience a greater decrease in taxes from property, then reductions in their budget? 

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#4) On January 07, 2010 at 11:13 AM, topsecret09 (38.72) wrote:

  As a native Californian... (50 years) I will give you two words that explain a MAJORITY of the states problems..............         ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION       TS

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#5) On January 07, 2010 at 11:13 AM, IIcx (< 20) wrote:

"four months earlier than its ambitious schedule and $10 million under budget."

flat screens are on sale this year ;) -- but 136 million for a 50 bed hospital seems excessive -- 2,720,000/bed. Price tag probably includes equipment like the flat screen.

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#6) On January 07, 2010 at 11:16 AM, PeteysTired (< 20) wrote:

flat screens are on sale this year ;) -- but 136 million for a 50 bed hospital seems excessive -- 2,720,000/bed. Price tag probably includes equipment like the flat screen.

This is stimulas.

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#7) On January 07, 2010 at 11:23 AM, brickcityman (< 20) wrote:

#3 ... I was referring to laws which stagnated increases in property taxes while paper values of homes went through the roof.  This creates a perception of wealth (and ballot iniative voting that went along with it) without a commensurate increase in tax revenues.

 

#4 ...  I'm not a native californian, but I lived there long enough to know that without illegal immigration the property BOOM (and the wealth it created, even if only temporarily) would not have happened to quite the same degree.  Also alot of people owe a much higher standard of living to the presences of below market wage earners.   I'm not by any means saying its a good thing, quite the contrary it permitted an extended distortion of economic realities...  But I am saying if you want to blame someone blame the people who exploited illegal immigration not the immigrants themselves.

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#8) On January 07, 2010 at 11:28 AM, chk999 (99.98) wrote:

The other problem is that activist judges  created a bunch of entitlements that the state has to pay for no matter what. So about the only place they actually can cut is in education. California already has one of the highest rates of state income tax in the country, so they need to shed things they pay for, not increase taxes.

Chris - California native, but escaped to greener pastures

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#9) On January 07, 2010 at 11:32 AM, catoismymotor (36.95) wrote:

In one word: Hippies.

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#10) On January 07, 2010 at 11:39 AM, lemoneater (79.43) wrote:

Hippies? I'm confused. All the hippies I ever met were low maintenance. They were mainly lonely and regaled a little girl (me) with the story of their troubles. You hear a lot when you are the pastor's daughter at a small country church.

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#11) On January 07, 2010 at 11:40 AM, ChannelDunlap (< 20) wrote:

Armchair politicans, all of you. 

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#12) On January 07, 2010 at 11:55 AM, caltex1nomad (< 20) wrote:

Having lived in California for 20 years now the state needs to do several things. 1) Repeal prop 13 2) Do away with most of the entitlement programs  3) Make it easier to do business in the state 4) Make it a Right-To-Work State and kick out the Unions 5) Enforce the laws with regards to employing Illegal workers  6) Take the prisons out of the hands of the state and make them private (Bring back Chain Gangs) 7) GET RID OF THE CRY-BABYS

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#13) On January 07, 2010 at 12:04 PM, catoismymotor (36.95) wrote:

When I typed Hippies I had Eric Cartman's voice saying it in my head. It was meant to be humorous because of some wingnut weirdo always finds a way to blame for them for something.

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#14) On January 07, 2010 at 1:04 PM, BMFPitt (79.54) wrote:

I'm gonna go with brickcityman's #1 answer.

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#15) On January 07, 2010 at 1:13 PM, russiangambit (29.46) wrote:

Yep, how much did they spend already on Roman Polansky?

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#16) On January 07, 2010 at 1:31 PM, topsecret09 (38.72) wrote:

#12) On January 07, 2010 at 11:55 AM, caltex1nomad (< 20) wrote:Make it a Right-To-Work State and kick out the Unions   You don't have a clue bud....  If It wasn't for unions there would be no 40 hour work week,no overtime pay, and no prevailing wage that gives NON-UNION workers the same pay scale as Union workers on ALL public works jobs. No safety programs that protect ALL workers,and you probably would not even have the (WEEKEND)....  Oh,and by the way... I am one of those overpaid union members that Installs high purity medical gas piping systems In hospitals. Let me know If you want to trust your life to an unskilled tradesman without the benefit of over 5 years formal traing,and medical gas certifications that have to be renewed every 6 months. This training was after I received my associates degree which was also In the piping Industry.....    I have done high purity orbital welding for Motorola, Intel, Linnear Technology,Applie Materials and Micrel....   Lets just bring In anybody that can walk and pay them 10 bucks an hour,how's that sound ?    http://www.dol.gov/compliance/laws/comp-FLSA.htm TS

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#17) On January 07, 2010 at 1:33 PM, TMFCrocoStimpy (95.28) wrote:

Cato: #9 and #13 - I heard Cartman's voice loud and clear when you said that  :)

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#18) On January 07, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Option1307 (29.88) wrote:

I'm sure glad those inmates are comfortabe, wouldn't want them to get mad and do something uncivil. Oh wait...

The amount of stupid things CA does is truly unbelievable. We can all read the retarded ideas them come up with in newspappers, but until you live there for an extended amount of time. You'll have no real grasp of how absurd it all is.

Don't get me wrong, the beach sure is nice but holy geez are there are lot of retards!

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#19) On January 07, 2010 at 6:49 PM, dbjella (< 20) wrote:

I don't know why but retard is a funny word.  My soda just came out my nose.

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#20) On January 07, 2010 at 7:00 PM, selfdestruct2 (50.68) wrote:

Illegals

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#21) On January 07, 2010 at 7:12 PM, caltex1nomad (< 20) wrote:

Topsecret......Unions served a purpose at one time. They have outlived their usefulness. When you can explain to me why the top 10 or 20 members in the Union Hierarchy are making 6 and 7 figure incomes we can talk. They are as bad if not worse than some of the CEOs. There is still too much of the crime element involved in the UNION BUSINESS. Not to mention you have the AFL-CIO changing their rules so a criminal can head their organization.  I Have amassed a fair amount of documentation on these criminal organizations. Plus, take a look at the States that have held up during the recession.....They have all been Right-To-Work States.  

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#22) On January 07, 2010 at 7:35 PM, JestYourFool (< 20) wrote:

As a consultant, I've "lived" in California for about two years - usually six months at a time.  I've always said I would love to live in California, but without the "high":

- taxes

- cost of living

- pollution

- amounts of traffic

- number of natural disasters (floods, earthquakes, mud slides)

I guess I just like the Disneyland version - Flying high over the mountains and sea, viewing the ski slopes, and smelling the orange groves all from a small, non-moving swing!  :)

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#23) On January 08, 2010 at 12:05 AM, truthisntstupid (93.98) wrote:

When a state that probably has more damn rich people than anywhere else votes in a republican governor who is very likely one of those who fervently believes in "stimulating"  their economy with tax cuts for rich people....and will steadfastly refuse to raise taxes on said rich people, who can sure as hell afford it and would, after all, still be rich even if they did pay more...what the hell does California expect?   Oh!  Wait!  Federal aid!  They'll leach off the OTHER states....most of which no doubt have a hell of a lot less wealthy people.  Yeah!  That sounds fair!

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#24) On January 08, 2010 at 1:32 AM, TMFUltraLong (99.96) wrote:

Why California is a mess, in one sentence ey? Well after having lived in California for most of my life I'll give this a stab.....

" California, moving here has been known to cause fires, droughts, earthquakes, landslides, low resale value on your home, rising healthcare costs, no parking, inability to pass go and collect $200, rising crime rates, dogs and cats living together, falling educational expenses, illegal immigration, high institutional taxation, hippy-like protestation, early prisoner emancipation, graffiti-like degradation and hollywood star fornication."

These statements have not been evaluated by the California State Board, the Screen Actors Guild,  the LAPD, the LAUSD, the INS, the USGS, the Board of Regents or its attorneys herein, but have been stamped for approval by UltraLong.

UltraLong

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#25) On January 08, 2010 at 1:00 PM, TMFHousel (93.91) wrote:

This article touches the same topic: 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/08/opinion/08fri3.html?ref=opinion 

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#26) On January 08, 2010 at 1:11 PM, topsecret09 (38.72) wrote:

#25) On January 08, 2010 at 1:00 PM, TMFHousel (< 20) wrote:This article touches the same topic:   So does this one...  The illegal immigration contribution to California’s budget woes    By Joe Guzzardi

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, his political career in tatters, will not be remembered of as Hollywood’s greatest action hero. Instead, historians will look back at him as the governor who presided over California biggest financial crisis that may mark the Golden State’s official end. As quickly as Schwarzenegger’s political star rose, it plunged just as fast.   

* Roughly 20,000 illegal immigrants are doing stretches in state prisons, representing 11 percent of all inmates. California absorbs about $1 billion in direct expenses while receiving about $120 million federal funds thus leaving an $880 million net cost to the state.

* Although Illegal immigrants aren’t entitled to welfare, called CalWORKs, their citizen children are. Roughly 190,000 kids receive welfare checks that pass through their parents. The Legislative Analyst’s Office put the tab conservatively at $500 million.

* California spends $775 million on Medi-Cal healthcare for illegal immigrants, according to the Legislative Analyst. Of that, $642 million goes into direct benefits. Practically all the rest is paid to counties to administer the program. The federal government generally matches the state dollar-for-dollar on mandatory programs.

* So-called emergency services are another huge cost: $536 million. Prenatal care alone is $59 million. Omitted from the overall total expense is baby delivery-well over $100 million-because the newborns are, technically, American citizens, not illegal immigrants.

* California also pays $47 million for programs not mandated by the federal government including non-emergency care (breast and cervical cancer treatment), $25 million; long-term nursing home care, $19 million; abortions, $3 million.

* Educating illegal aliens is the single biggest California taxpayer burden. Last week, I calculated that of California’s 1.5 million non-English speakers attending K-12 schools, about 500,000 are illegal aliens and another 500,000 anchor babies. Depending on how you interpret anchor babies, the state’s education tab for aliens is either $3.5 billion or $7 billion.

Of course, Californians underwrite scores of other alien-related expenses especially those paid out through local governments. But you get the multi-billion- dollar picture, I’m sure, without my providing you with more details.       http://jonjayray.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/the-illegal-immigration-contribution-to-californias-budget-woes/

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#27) On January 09, 2010 at 1:24 AM, bluebare (28.84) wrote:

Californian's have perfected the art of passing voter-driven initiatives and referendums.  Every year, VOTERS say YES to  hundreds of billions of dollars in new public spending and there is no centralized fiscal management associated with this budget-budgeting nonsense. It IS a mess and it will stay that way until the powerful interest groups behind these continual citizen-based spending movements in CA self-govern themselves more responsibly or a majority California's VOTERS decide they've had enough and just say NO.

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