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As a cheap political stunt, McCain dragged this nice lady he doesn’t even know into his doomed campaign, and already the TV commentators and op-ed writers are calling her a dimwit, an amateur, a hapless tool. McCain is such a cruel creep that he’s making Sarah Palin debate Joe Biden.” [Political Machine]

“Who needs Harvard educated Magna Cum Laude Lawe review president when you can have:

McCain 894/899 at the navel academy and Palin went to Hawai'i Pacific University — as a freshman in the business administration program in 1982. But she only stayed one semester. Then Palin transferred to North Idaho College for the 1983-1984 school year and eventually graduated from the University of Idaho in 1987. Oh and she was second place for Miss Alaska.”

“I'm going out on a limb here, but I'd say Urkel is more qualified than she is:


“People really are shocked. And not in a good way. If there was ever a time for the media to do what the founders intended them to do, now is the time. This ain't a joke/game anymore. McCain is more dangerous than Bush and they need to stop protecting McCain.”


MY COMMNET: There are some people here piling on the amazing stupidity of the Senator McCain pick. I thought I would be the first to tell everyone, Palin will NOT be the Vice President. McCain will lose the race or she will resign/quit.

For those, who do not have a sense of history, I will quote presidential historian Matthew Dallek. “I think she is the most inexperienced person on a major party ticket in modern history,”

Read and HEED:

Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]

Palin was not mayor for 10 years. She was on the city council from 92 to 96. Keep in mind that the population of Wasilla at the time Palin was mayor was a mere 4,500-5,000--not even as "large" as it is now.

Sorry, I don't have years to attribute for all of Obama's but one of the things I would point out is that Obama is, himself, a scholar of Constitutional law, having acted as a lecturer and senior lecturer for a total of 12 years at one of the most prestigious law universities in the nation (Univ. of Chicago). That alone qualifies him more for president than anything Palin has done in her entire life, or any past lives, should there be any ...

Finally, Obama in terms of public life--not necessarily public office, but public life--is far more extensive, diverse, and active than anything Palin has done. Obama has demonstrated that he is a servant of the people, time and again. I'd suggest that 2 years on the Illinois senate equates to far more experience than all of Palin's political experience, and Obama has accomplished far more than that.

Frankly, there is no comparison between the two in terms of experience. It is not a contest that Palin can win.


Runner up, Miss Alaska Pageant 84'
B.S. Communications-Journalism, University of Idaho 87'
Wasilla, Alaska City Council Member 92-96
Wasilla, Alaska City Mayor 96-02
Alaska Oil and Gas Conversation Commission, Chairperson 03-04
Alaska, Governer 06-08


Harvard Law Review, Editor 88-89
Harvard Law Review, President 90-91
Harvard University, Juris Doctor magna cum laude 91'
Public Allies, Founding Member/Board of Directors 92'
Lecturer of Constitutional Law, University of Chicago Law School 92-96
Associate of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland 93-96
Woods Fund of Chicago, Board of Directors 93-02
Joyce Foundation, Board of Directors 94-02
Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Board of Directors 95-02
Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Founding President and Chairman 95-99
Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Board of Directors
Center for Neighborhood Technology, Board of Directors
Lugenia Burns Hope Center, Board of Directors
Snr. Lecturer of Constitutional Law, University of Chicago Law School 96-04
Counsel of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland 96-04
Illinois, State Legislator 97-04
U.S. Senator 05-08
Grammy Winner, Dreams From My Father audio edition 06'

Biden is the senior United States Senator from Delaware. Born and raised in Scranton, Pennsylvania for ten years prior to moving to Delaware, Biden trained as a lawyer and became a senator in 1973 at age 30, the fifth-youngest senator in U.S. history.

He has served as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, dealing with issues related to drug policy, crime prevention, women's rights and civil liberties. He is a long-time member and current chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and has worked on resolutions concerning the Yugoslav wars and Iraq War.

In his sixth consecutive term in the Senate, Biden has served for the sixth-longest period among current senators.

Sarah Palin has been governor of Alaska for just a bit over 18 months, and has managed to invoke a formal ethics investigation by the legislature and criminal investigation by the States Attorney General concerning her conduct during her very short tenure. The entire state of Alaska would only make it the 17th most populous city in the United States. Just ahead of Fort Worth.

Before that, she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. Population 9,000. The "powers and duties" for the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska? Check their municipal code:

1. Preside at council meetings. The mayor may take part in the discussion of matters before the council, but may not vote, except that the mayor may vote in the case of a tie;

2. Act as ceremonial head of the city.

Comment taken from tcbishop12

  FYI – Additional sources:

McCain's Palin Pick: Manifestly Unserious

McCain Would Rather Win an Election than Pick a Qualified VP  

Robert J. Elisberg: The Worst Vice-Presidential Nominee in U Selecting Sarah Palin as its choice for a vice presidential candidate is perhaps the worst such choice in American History.

Scholars question Palin credentials Presidential scholars say she appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.

Sarah Palin Interview: What does the VP do?


I love Fox NEWS! Steve Doocy from Fox News Explains Sarah Palin's Experience

13 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On August 31, 2008 at 8:20 AM, abitare (30.07) wrote:

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#2) On August 31, 2008 at 8:25 AM, abitare (30.07) wrote:

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#3) On August 31, 2008 at 12:17 PM, rd80 (95.44) wrote:

“I think she is the most inexperienced person on a major party ticket in modern history,”

Nope.  That title belongs to Obama.  In the long list of experience you list for Obama, he has accomplished zero. Palin, on the other hand, has had success fighting corruption (in her own party), cutting spending and actually running a state government.

I went through the 'Issues' tab on Obama's website.  Some of the issues have a listing of "Barack Obama's Record" at the end.  The most common experiences listed are 'advocacy for' or 'co-sponsored legislation' or 'voted for.'  On his own website, Obama doesn't list a single instance of leadership or a significant accomplishment on an issue.  For example, consider three of the most pressing issues in this election: Iraq, Energy and the Economy.

On Iraq, Obama lists experience opposing the war and that he introduced legislation to end it in Jan '07.  That legislation would be at odds with the current position on his website (which is nearly identical to John McCain's position).

On Energy and the Environment, Obama doesn't list any record at all.

On the Economy, here he's got three whole bullets - I think that's the longest record on any issue. It's all 'introduced legislation' - no record of accomplishing anything.

Democrats would be wise to shut up about experience. As you've pointed out, you can make a case that the Democrat's Presidential candidate has more experience than the Repubican's Vice Presidential candidate.  But the argument is weak and largely points out the inexperience at the top of the Democrat ticket.  In executive experience and dealing with energy, Palin has more experience than Obama, Biden and McCain combined.  And her approval rating in Alaska is about four times the approval rating of the congress.

Playing Harvard vs Univ of Idaho is also a losing game.  Many, many more voters can relate to a state university than can relate to Harvard.  But, hey, if you want to portray Obama as a liberal elite, have at it.

BTW, Alaska's population (~700,000) is about the same as Joe Biden's home state of Delaware (~850,000).  So I guess Biden's experience as Senator doesn't count for much since it's a tiny state.

Point well taken about a Naval Academy graduate.  Last time we elected an Annapolis grad, he didn't work out so well.


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#4) On August 31, 2008 at 12:43 PM, LordZ wrote:

Wow Ares, if I knew better I would say that you are threatened by the Republicans actually winning.

In the 30 years Binden has been a not do much insider what has he accomplished ?

Please tell me he had done more than what was said at the DMC ?

It makes me wonder if it had turned the other way and he died instead of his wife if things  would have been better.

But hey Ares it really doesn't matter who wins right /

Also the atm machines have already leaked the winner of the 2008 election.

So what are you tripping for ?

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#5) On August 31, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Ph1sh55 (29.33) wrote:

rd80 to supplement your ignorance on Obama, here's some of the things he accomplished in his short time in the senate, showing his ability to work across party lines.

Partnering with Republican Senators Richard Lugar of Indiana and then Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. "Lugar-Obama" expanded the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.

The "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act" authorized the establishment of, a web search engine launched in December 2007 and run by the Office of Management and Budget.

In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.source

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment (with republican senator Christopher Bond) to the Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for an official review following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.

He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry, and joined Chuck Hagel of Nebraska in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.

A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.
The legislation passed both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, but was blocked from becoming law by President Bush in October 2007.


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#6) On August 31, 2008 at 3:27 PM, abitare (30.07) wrote:


Thanks for th replies.

For the record, I would vote NONE OF THE ABOVE if there was the choice. I will write in Ron Paul, like any honest, God fearing American, I can not in good consience vote "against the lessor of two evils." Choosing "evil" is still WRONG. This system needs to be changed, to support either cannidate in my view is to support "evil".

rd80 wrote:

"Nope.  That title belongs to Obama.  In the long list of experience you list for Obama, he has accomplished zero. Palin, on the other hand, has had success fighting corruption (in her own party), cutting spending and actually running a state government."

Obama was raised, with out a father. He GRADUATED from Columbia, then Harvard Law School. His father's were not Admirals, which allowed him to crash FIVE PLANES.

He taught at University of Chicago look here: 

Harvard Tops the U.S. News College Rankings

Also Hawaii is the most racist state in the nation. To say Obama has  "has accomplished zero."

R U HIGH? Sober up before you get on the keyboard!

Also Obama is still married to his first wife, who is also very  sucessful and educated. She does not steal drugs from the local charity either.

Ref "Cindy McCain admitted to stealing Percocet® and Vicodin® from the American Voluntary Medical Team, which provides humanitarian aid to Third World countries. 1995"


"Also the atm machines have already leaked the winner of the 2008 election. "

Of course, now I have to find and post that video again:

"So what are you tripping for ?"

NEITHER. McCain is vey dumb and dangerous, IMO. 

Obama is a kid and likely a wealth redistributing socialist.

But Obama is smarter and has the capicity to make the right decisions, even though he does not have the wisdom or background for the office.

IMO, the the president is "one and done", the circumstances hitting the US are beyond the capacity of any individual to fix. If I were Obama or Palin, I would find a reason to drop out and re-run in 2012, to allow some time to cure the currenct debacle.

But Obama does bring Hope to many, he is educated, he is the best speaker and he is "self made". He did not have his Name, or lineage to get him where he is, unlike the last 4 presidents.

Obama is the lessor of the two evils, IMO 

For LordZ:

Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results Of 2008 Election Early 

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#7) On August 31, 2008 at 3:31 PM, abitare (30.07) wrote:


"He did not have his Name, or lineage to get him where he is, unlike the last 4 presidents"

"He did not have his Name, or lineage to get him where he is, unlike the last 4 presidential cannidates."

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#8) On August 31, 2008 at 4:19 PM, RonChapmanJr (30.17) wrote:

Obama went to Harvard law school, I went to Harvard for my undergraduate degree. I'm black and young (27) so of course I am going to say - go Palin!

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#9) On August 31, 2008 at 9:16 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

Plus he is in bed with the bankers. Yea he is for the poor and middle class. (sarcasm) Then there is this. It is all about power and control. It will be stopped but not through war. They will do it by droping the price of oil to $50.00 a bar. and 2 dollar a gal gas. BE fearfull when that happens. Amercia and the Arab nations will tank. no peak oil. we are just pauns.Now we are messing with China and Russia and they don't like it.

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#10) On September 01, 2008 at 3:24 AM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

But Obama does bring Hope to many, he is educated, he is the best speaker and he is "self made". He did not have his Name, or lineage to get him where he is, unlike the last 4 presidents.     Eighth cousin to chaney and yes he did get help because he mentioned a person (he never gave the name) who helped him continue in politics. Anyway Mc cain will get it the election is fixed the onion nailed it. What does it matter anyway because the powers that be have not taken me yet.

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#11) On September 01, 2008 at 8:53 AM, rd80 (95.44) wrote:

Ph1sh55  I saw those on Obama's site.  Of the list you provide, six of the seven pieces of legislation were non-controversial, no leadership - on at least one of the bills (the Coburn-Obama Transparency Act), McCain joined Obama as a co-sponsor so both sides get credit for that one.  The only one that wasn't a slam dunk was SCHIP.  In none of these instances did Obama show that he is willing to buck his party or that he is able to get bipartisan support on a controversial issue. Thanks for helping to make the case - no significant accomplishments.

AresFinancial Obama's committment to his family and his educational achievements are certainly admirable.  However, his family life and education were not on the list of experience in your original post.  I said there were no accomplishments from that list. I will concede, I was probably to quick to say zero - I'm sure he's accomplished something in those positions.  As far as teaching constitutional law, Obama couldn't even come up with a coherent, consistent opinion on the 2nd Amendment in the recent Heller case.  First he supported DC, then when DC lost he praised the Supreme Court decision. Hope and Change - if you don't like his position on an issue I guess you can hope he changes it. 

And, thank-you for starting the thread.   We may not agree, but I respect that you and other posters go to the trouble to dig into the issues a bit and force those of us who reply to dig a little too.

I'm with RonChapmanJr - Go Palin. 

Finally, I'd like to recommend this opinion piece by Joe Trippi on McCain's selection of Palin.



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#12) On September 01, 2008 at 3:11 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

ok here it is

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#13) On September 01, 2008 at 4:17 PM, lquadland10 (< 20) wrote:

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