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Will There Be a Civil War In America???

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January 24, 2010 – Comments (24)

Pretty soon, the employed will no longer be mathematically able to support the unemployed.  Our labor force is shrinking despite the fact our population is growing.......you gotta luv the way Benny the B presents the data to you.

Our cities, counties and states are simply running out of money......as their committments and obligations are skyrocketing...........we are nearing the point where if you taxed the working citizens 100% of their income, it would not be able to support government anywhere close to its current form.

You knew it would happen after 1.01.10.....it is now here as America is running out of money and shutting down.

Kansas Budget Deep In The Hole and Unemployment Insurance "Trust Fund" About To Run Dry

A need for Kansas to raise money to cover payments to unemployed workers has created a new problem for legislators and groups hoping to prevent budget cuts across state government by raising taxes.

The state expects its Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund to run out of money by mid-February and to borrow funds temporarily from the federal government to keep benefits flowing. Kansas law requires businesses to refill the fund, which triggered a $209 million increase in their payments for this year.

Meanwhile, Democratic Gov. Mark Parkinson and the Republican-controlled Legislature are wrestling with a projected budget shortfall of nearly $400 million for the fiscal year that begins July 1.

The unemployment fund isn't part of the state's general operating budget, but its problems are dampening enthusiasm for increasing taxes to close the gap. It's also bolstering the resolve of legislators and groups opposed to higher taxes.

KANSAS OF ALL PLACES??????  What about California, New York, Illinois, and Florida and Arizona and and and......................................................

It is a simple question that has never confronted America before.....what happens when the American citizens can no longer financially sustain the government as they know it and the promises its governments made to its own people and abroad????????????

Very interesting times indeed as many Fools focus on the ticker tape...........sorta like focusing on an EKG to treat a patient with Pancreatic Cancer.

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#1) On January 24, 2010 at 4:31 PM, alstry (35.09) wrote:

Sorry about the spelling and grammer.....hopefully you get the point anyway.....

With our police forces shrinking....stress is rising from fewer and fewer employed as costs are escalating......and revenues to our cities, counties, states, schools, universities, businesses, and families evaporating........we confront a massive problem as a nation.....and that problem is zombulation.

Three Ninety Nine Restaurants will close in Connecticut this Saturday — in Manchester, Newington, and Orange, Brad Schiff, the chain’s vice president for marketing, said last week.

Schiff said business at the restaurants was down due to the recession. He added that there will likley be more closings later this year.

The Ninety Nine closings come on the heels of Boston-based Uno Restaurant Holdings Corp.’s shuttering its Uno Chicago Grill restaurant in Manchester as part of a 16-restaurant shutdown across the country.

The Uno Restaurant in Manchester at 180 Deming St., opened in April 1995. Originally it was called Pizzeria Uno.

Each business closure, lost job, or wage cut reduces the revenues to government.....................and with government the largest consumer in America consuming over 1/2 GDP.....if government can't consume, we don't have much of a GDP.

The BIG question will be what will your politician take from you if you can't pay enough to cover his salary....if he chooses to go to war, he can take your child.........imagine what a person who has the capacity to take your child would take if he needs your money??????

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#2) On January 24, 2010 at 7:47 PM, ctojeira (37.94) wrote:

I'm not sure if you're writing this to ask the question seriously, or if you're trying to instill fear in people.

If you're serious, the answer to your question is no.

If you're trying to instill fear in people, then good look with your goal, whatever it might be.

 

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#3) On January 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, alstry (35.09) wrote:

If fear was my goal, then I would take a different tactic....

It is a simple mathematical question, what happens when the income of the working citizens is insufficient to cover the costs of government and the promises government made?

I see by your answer, you are absent of a reasonable response.

But don't feel bad.....I have run this question by more and more lately and most avoid dealing with the issue.

It really is not much different than a patient being diagnosed with a serious illness.......often avoidance is the easiest response.

What I find amazing is how little attention this gets in the press and mainstream discussion as it is an issue currently facing our nation.

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#4) On January 24, 2010 at 9:13 PM, jesusfreakinco (28.81) wrote:

Good article on state of state's unemployment funds.  Feel free to use:

http://projects.propublica.org/unemployment/

JFC

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#5) On January 24, 2010 at 9:25 PM, ctojeira (37.94) wrote:

Yes.  My response must be unreasonable if I don't answer your question the way you like.  Let me guess... you must be a lawyer, or an aspiring one.

 

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#6) On January 24, 2010 at 10:07 PM, VExplorer (29.67) wrote:

It's happens around in really ugly numbers

 

Wal-Mart cuts about 11,200 Sam's Club staffers

 

I'm waiting 20% cut in our plant (~150) in couple of week. And we are manufacturer without real competitions with China at the moment.

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#7) On January 24, 2010 at 10:48 PM, jddubya (31.97) wrote:

"If fear was my goal, then I would take a different tactic...."

LOL - sure Alstry, sure...

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#8) On January 24, 2010 at 11:05 PM, OneLegged (< 20) wrote:

Wal-Mart cuts 11,200, but replaces them with employees of an independent contractor.

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#9) On January 24, 2010 at 11:22 PM, allwayssummer (< 20) wrote:

I've thought about this problem for quite a while, even figured the housing bubble would collapse before it did. (No, I didn't sell in time) The numbers just haven't add up for many years. But what do I know, I'm just a fool that didn't make it past basic arithmetic in school.

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#10) On January 24, 2010 at 11:31 PM, techfule (< 20) wrote:

Will there be a civil war? No, I think not in the short term. There could be some ulgy class warfare, Social Security riots, stuff like that. In the long term, if we do not address our fiscal woes, I think you might see a breakup into 5 or 6 large countries. Essentially, the last one out has to pay the bills to China, the rest get a fresh start.

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#11) On January 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, fab4fanatic (< 20) wrote:

Take off the tinfoil hat. Restaurants ar eclosing because there were too many.

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#12) On January 25, 2010 at 12:32 AM, FreeMortal (29.25) wrote:

Pump action shotguns are preferable: the simple mechanism is easy to clean and repair; very effective in CQC, easy for untrained users to wield, cheap and plentiful ammo. 

Now what shall I do with all this worthless gold?

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#13) On January 25, 2010 at 12:33 AM, bigcat1969 (92.36) wrote:

Answering the question.  I doubt there will be a civil war, because even if problems hit that point in the county there would be too much political pressure by other nations and UN for a peaceful solution.  It's still very unlikey, but I could see an attempted dividing of the union.  The political divide is such that the Coasts and Great Lakes are on one wave length and the general Heartland is on another.  If the West Coast has even greater problems with illegals and with budgets, they might pull away from the East Coast party.  That combined with other events, possibly a major disaster, a second round of bailouts that favor the East Coast, etc... could create enough of an East-West divide to spur the state rights folks into major action.  The current DC gang seems very power hungry and unwilling to give anything up, so a big states rights push and action like refusing to accept certain taxes / health care fines, could create an interesting situation between a state and DC.  If the President tried to enforce a national edict on a state with force, then you might see some interesting threats of states leaving.

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#14) On January 25, 2010 at 9:41 AM, ayekappy (< 20) wrote:

fab4:  Tell that to the people that were employed by those restaraunts.

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#15) On January 25, 2010 at 9:41 AM, chk999 (99.97) wrote:

No.

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#16) On January 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM, alstry (35.09) wrote:

ayekappy,

Remember, those people were taxpayers......and tax receipts are declining hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, quarter after quarter, and year after year.

At the end of the day, we all live in one big condo association, and if there are only a few capable of paying the condo fees, unless they pony up for the community, the condo and association shuts down.

And right now we are shutting down with businesses closing, police departments shuttering, same with fire stations, foreclosures continuing to skyrocket.....it is what it is and we can't do anything about it under current zombulation policies.

My guess is that people prefer burying their heads in the sand rather than dealing with reality.  Reality is realty in New York is down 70% from prices paid just a few year ago.

As they say....reality can suck.

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#17) On January 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM, miteycasey (30.51) wrote:

Civil War In America???

Are you serious??? 

How many people do you know that have a tank sitting in their back yard?

Or a B1 bomber?

 

If there was a civil war it would be at the ballot box and that's been on-going for two decade.

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#18) On January 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM, alstry (35.09) wrote:

So I see you are focusing on the word Civil.....it is interesting how so many jump to the conclusion that civil wars must be violent.

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#19) On January 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Konigstiger88 (< 20) wrote:

This thread is poison Im going to request it be removed. The very idea of civil war is detestable and those that promote the idea are guilty of treason.

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#20) On January 25, 2010 at 11:23 AM, alstry (35.09) wrote:

Actually, may of our founding fathers found dissent the highest form of democracy and patriotism.....in fact, it was the foundation on how our nation was formed.

It is obvious you have very little knowledge of the history of the United States.

Martin Luther King, through his dissent, forged rights for millions who had none......my guess is you really don't like the concept of freedom of speech.......many Americans died defending it.

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#21) On January 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, weg915 (< 20) wrote:

Konigstiger88

Interesting position given American history.

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#22) On January 25, 2010 at 11:33 AM, chk2595 (57.30) wrote:

There is a war going on.  We have the terrorist to contend with while the war going on is between government control of our lives, thru our economy and socialistic bent culture coming from Washington, DC and our schools, especilly our state universities.

We need truth from our politicians not rhetoric.  Our businesses need help not more red tape and costs.  We have laws to follow but they are enforced like a smorgasborg, picking the ones we keep and the ones we ignore or use to beat down enterprise..

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#23) On January 25, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Konigstiger88 (< 20) wrote:

Alstry,

There are a lot of differences between today and Colonial America. Our fore fathers had to fight, they could not vote or protest. They had no rights at all. We still have rights. We can vote assemble and speak our minds. The weapons today are also 100 times more powerful than anything our fore fathers could ever imagine. The death toll would be catastrophic, not to meantion our enemies would take advantage of the situation. We would lose our nation, it was almost lost during the last civil war. The South almost succeeded in creating an alliance between themselves and the British. Had the British entered the civil war we would all be royal subjects today. I don't want to see my country get torn apart and Im not ready to kill my fellow americans. I wore the uniform to long for that!!

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#24) On January 25, 2010 at 12:05 PM, alstry (35.09) wrote:

You may want to take a look at a recent DC Circuit ruling about your rights if there is a declaration of war.....you may be surprised.

And who said Civil War must be violent????

If we ever did fall into violence...I myself would call it an Uncivil War.

Despite your rhetoric...you still fail to address the central issue of  what happens to America when its citizens can longer afford to support the size or promises of its government.....this issue has never been an issue before.

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