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Bank of America Corp (BAC)
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The Company through its subsidiaries, provide banking & nonbanking financial services and products through three business segments: Global Consumer and Small Business Banking, Global Corporate & Investment Banking & Global Wealth & Investment Management.

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For a long time, I would look at the immense derivative holdings of Bank of America and throw up my hands. How could you possibly value a company with over $38 trillion in derivative positions? Maybe it's worth a huge sum. Maybe not. But, now I think I have figured out how to take a pretty good stab at it, without even knowing what derivatives B of A holds. Either 1), B of A made the wrong bets, and it will soon go down in a crash far bigger than anything we have seen so far. If it loses only 3% on the derivatives, easy to imagine, that is over a trillion dollars. Or 2), it made the right bets. We already have an example of how that turns out. Goldman Sachs made the "right" bets, buying $20 billion of credit default swaps from AIG in 2007-2008. Very smart of them. Then, last September, AIG went bust, and Goldman's $20B went with it. Suddenly Goldman had to run to Warren Buffet for $5B in order to not breach their loan covenants. Anyway, imagine that B of A, by some miracle, actually made the right bets with its derivative portfolio. It's just not possible that its counterparties could pay up on the "winning" bets. Whoever was making the losing bets is already worse than broke. So, it's heads, B of A explodes, and tails, B of A crumbles. The best scenario is probably that it manages to cover up its situation, whatever that happens to be, for a few more months. The worst is that it goes kablooey in a few days or weeks. Most troubling to me is that the FDIC is already broke. It cannot bail out the banks already on its watch list. B of A is huge, far beyond the capacity of the FDIC to cope with. So, not only will stock owners be wiped out, depositors are also at huge risk. Check out the derivative situation for yourself. Thanks, Bulleye168, for this link to a U.S. Treasury report on U.S. companies' derivative holdings. If you scroll over halfway down, you can see the list of the top 25 derivative holders and the sizes of their portfolios. http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2008-152a.pdf
I read the link you posted (thanks for that, by the way). If I read it right, it says that BofA has $95M at risk in the worst case scenario, versus $14B in 2007 earnings (which would count neither Countrywide and Merrill Lynch, of course). $95M wouldn't clear through my checking account, but at the B of A this isn't all that much money to absorb. I'm not seeing huge derivatives exposure like the substantially greater issues at JPM and C in the link you posted. More to the point, the worst of BAC's exposures were excreted by those raging bulls at Merrill Lynch (which I last saw estimated at $115B). This is less than the $100B the feds have committed in support of BAC's acquisition (at 90%). Do you have anything more current?
Sorry, I don't have anything more current. I don't believe B of A is out of the woods (I don't see how they could have even come close to unwinding a nearly $40T derivative position), but I'm not really following the company very closely. My analysis was more a drive-by-shooting than a product of actual research and effort. I blundered into that list of big bank derivative positions, pondered what it might mean, and wrote down my thoughts. I didn't delve deep into it.
excellent work thank you so much.
Well presented post!
You deserve to be the top pitch!
The only problem I can find is common sense does not pay my bills...
Keep up the the strong DD as one Joe Average may realize Goldman Averaged down their retirement.
In the meantime I will continue to take profits before reality sets in!
This SITE IS A NONSENSE...only produced to make money...yeah you are similar to Cramer and Wall Street...and your opinions are nonsense...really
Your non or bad call on Financials like BAC and Citigroup are worst than Cramers...
See the opinions of Dick Bove or Meredith Whitney
Although Cramer and Wall Street analysts are rating BAC as a BUY, I'm not quite convinced yet.
http://www.zoodak.com/discussions/30-i-m-not-conviced-bac-is-a-buy-