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A global network marketing company that sells weight management, nutritional supplement and personal care products.
clearly is not a pyramid
Herbalife have always been the future in health to the people.
Illegal pyramid scheme or not, they only make 20% of their revenues from the US.
Direct selling is now a major channel for the sale of cosumer goods, rivaling retail stores. Worldwide, it is over $120 billion. HLF now has a consistent history of success and growth in this market. There is no reason to think it will falter. The recent attack was a phony attempt at manipulation. When the cloud lifts, the stock will soar.
I gave this one the red thumb on Investor Beat today. Too much drama for a model and business that are ultimately questionable at best. Pass.
Your auditor leaves you... not a good sign.I think we are about to see some real financial numbers soon and they will not be good.
Ackman's whistle blowing has sent this stock to bargain levels. Icahn won't let it fail.
I'm sure that Ackman is probably right on this one, but it's going to take a bear market for the truth to come out.
Herbalife has had a history of acquisitions such as this one, and I believe that this one is the same.
Price Target: $61
Overpriced products, even if it isn't classified as a pyramid scheme this one will die off, only fools use the meal replacement products. Might go into the red for awhile but eventually people will come around to much better cheaper alternatives that don't have questionable sales tactics.
It is pyramid scheme.
IBD EPS, RS, SPROE, Acc ratings plus P/E and div yieldCONSUMER 95 8 AB- PE9 3.0%
The government did not make smoking illegal, it simply forced the tobacco companies to put a warning on the packages stating that smokers have a much higher risk of dying from lung cancer. The government should also force MLM companies to state the fact that 95 percent of the people who join their companies lose money and quit during the first 12 months (or whatever the real life statistic is).
I remember an outfit called Quorum, over ten years ago. It was the best performing stock on the market the year before it collapsed. It turns out most of their product was occupying the spare rooms and garages of eager multi-level marketing novices and never made it out the door. Herbalife has managed to extend the day of reckoning by going international but sooner or later the word will get out. Obviously the most recent Chinese participants have not yet gotten the message. They eventually will. It would be reasonable to expect that as the chorus of complaints gets louder here in the States, our government might get interested in checking whether Herbalife has actually managed to duplicate the success of AMWAY or is well on the way to following Quorum and the multitude of other multi-level enterprises that are no longer with us. Since Herbalife has lasted this long it may take another year or two, depending how successful they are at "not knowing exactly how much their distributors consume by themselves", before their viability is finally questioned. Definitely not a long term investment.
Im betting with Icahn
No FTC or SEC investigation of HLF-- nonthing unethical or illegal going on. Marketing model no different than AVON. Absurdly cheap at this valuation, earnings continue to be strong, nice dividend as well.
I was in this trade on New Years Eve at $29 and got out at $42. It was running so fast, I couldn't get it posted to caps. With Ichann announcing his long position I see some short covering and another $10 run to $55.
Short squeeze likely, as fears that the FTC will prosecute die down. You can't keep a Ponzi scheme for 30 plus years and survive an audit. Ergo, HLF is the real deal: more like Amway than Madoff.
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