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A global network marketing company that sells weight management, nutritional supplement and personal care products.
Ridiculous amount of buying after Ackman's presentation. Purely a short term play - I don't have much of an opinion about the company.
I believe Ackman, ponzi
Not impressed with Ackman's haphazard presentation. That said, if you take the time to parse it, this stock will either explode with growth possibilities, or crumble b/c it fits the definition of a pyramid scheme.
I actually did O.K. on two previous HLF red thumbs but I've taken a beating red thumbing momentum stocks in general. This one's a binary proposition on whether regulators will shut them down or not. My brother was once recruited by Primerica, and to that point my only knowledge of MLM's was based on a 60 Minutes piece of Amway. I was asked to attend a meeting with my brother and his recruiter. The whole meeting was about promoting Primerica's connection to the Travelers Group and the importance of family and friends. When I asked at the end of the meeting what exactly my brother would do in his new job and the answer was he had to get his family and friends involved I realized this was a pyramid scheme and IMO all MLM's are pyramid schemes hiding behind obtuse legal definitions. There is no reason for the MLM business structure other than to enrich a handful at the top at the expense of the unwashed masses at the bottom. That said, the MLM's know the laws and more importantly how to game them, and there are a number of high profile enablers defending their indefensible business model, so I don't think getting the regulators to finally act is a slam dunk. On top of that Ackman has not fared well with his expose's after his initial presentation, however he's putting his reputation on the line this time declaring this one will take the company down. Insider video evidence also comforts me that he has the goods this time. I was trying to stay away from this one but what the heck, it's only CAPS. Time to take another stand on HLF. Go get em Bill!
"Herbalife shares tumble on latest Ackman allegations"Buy the hype, sell the news?Be greedy when others are fearful?I don't know. Just tossing out a contrarian idea out there.
A Magic Formula pick with great numbers, great growth, and a low P/E. Many investors don't like MLM, but this company is not doing anything illegal and eventually the market will recognize this.
cash flow is ridiculous and the short attack seems to be subsiding. Expect big things from Herbalife in the next few years. Real $$$ on this one.
Current price of $59/share versus a fair market value of $75/share. Very stable finances with a solid F-score, industry-trouncing earnings margins and awesome EBITDA growth of nearly 29%. The company has been able to secure its financing and has bounced back from a recent government audit late last quarter. If you think weight management is going away sometime soon, I advise you to look elsewhere. For value investors looking for a bargain with solid growth, Herbalife is a BUY.
Ackman is right - it's a pyramid scheme.
Herbalife is a pyramid scheme. This will be proven and the stock will crash and burn. But, it may take some time before it begins.
MLM - great way for the average household to make extra cash. Health and Nutrition products - more people are seeing the need for this every day. Herbalife have had 34 years to perfect their model and their products. No Brainer.
Because of the work culture of the company/s distributors
Is it a pyramid...is it a Ponzi...is it part of each...a Ponzimid...??Does Icahn know best with his billion invested (was a billion before 3PM today) or was/is Ackman right with his Billion dollar short?Is the FBI investigating...will it mean anything... "multilevel marketing company's business practices, including how it recruits new members into its distribution scheme"..... scheme??FTC warning...? One of about 30 links this evening:"http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fbi-conducting-probe-herbalife-source-211828041.html""The news comes roughly a month after Herbalife confirmed that the Federal Trade Commission had issued a civil investigative demand to the company to look more closely at how it works."Down 33% since January.I have no idea, the financials "look good". There are dividends and stock buybacks.P/B is still over 10, but margins "look strong".Growing internationally, rapidly in China.$1.5B of non-reoccurring revenue each year...sounds reoccurring to me....I'm not clear why they are borrowing AND paying dividend and buying back stock, but they could feel that the borrowing rate is low and the best value is the stock buyback.Balance sheet growing slowly...Goodwill and intangibles $400M.Accounts Payable $772M, seems high.Overall, no real neg. here, just checking in to see what our government dollars are buying.Short side (on caps) because of sentiment from the churn....and the 10X book...should be able to grow being international and all, but I wonder if the cost to entry, and reputation is starting to wear.
Cloudy weather will clear
Monkey says he likes it.
If it's an illegal pyramid of sorts, this stock is worth 0 bananas. If it's not, it's worth $120+ given it's exceptional cash flow. There are billions of dollars on each side of the debate, but Monkey's research says odds are 3:1 in favor of HLF being legit in all the ways that matter. So this is closer to roulette than it is to investing the honest American way (ha!) but the odds are way in your favor. Do you take the probabilities or do you sit on the sidelines? Monkey thinks within the next two years when the legal stuff has shaken out he'll be glad to have own a few option calls on this platypus of stocks.
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