Vector Group Ltd. (NYSE:VGR)

CAPS Rating: 2 out of 5

A holding company which is engaged in the manufacture and sale of cigarettes in the U.S., development and marketing of the low nicotine and nicotine-free QUEST cigarette products and real estate business through its subsidiaries.

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Member Avatar asilverp (53.87) Submitted: 8/29/2014 11:37:36 AM : Underperform Start Price: $23.19 VGR Score: +8.84

Fundamentals say stay away, despite the momentum.

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Member Avatar DeusExMachina8 (45.57) Submitted: 9/16/2013 4:08:35 PM : Outperform Start Price: $15.06 VGR Score: +24.26

Vector Group Ltd. is a corporation that is operating as a model of what economists call a cartel. The Government makes more money on the sale of a pack of cigarettes than the tobacco company does and they both make a lot of money in this business. Any threat by competitors to sell a similar product at a cheaper price than the existing big four tobacco companies can sell their product for do to the massive liabilities saddling them due to the Tobacco settlement shake down by the government will see the government move to cease such activities to protect their investment. States have not passed minimum allowable price per pack of cigarettes sold to protect the consumer from saving thousands on the purchases of their tobacco products, the very concept of this is absurd. States passed these laws to put any potential competitive threat to the big four tobacco companies out of business and they succeeded in their efforts and they did so for the sake of the obscene amounts of revenue raised by sin taxes and long term IOUs payable to them from the big four over 20 years time which would be hard to collect if competition built a better mousetrap, or a cheaper one and put the big four out of business. So a business that has a 5-10% market share of a lucrative business and a willing accomplice in the government to create impassable barriers of entry to block all new competition equals a handsome dividend income with little real downside risk over the long term and a small but real potential for moderate capital growth with certain dividend payouts increasing at a steady clip over the same period seems to me to be a sound place to invest your money in for the long term minded strategy.

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Member Avatar rknapton (< 20) Submitted: 8/22/2013 5:22:16 PM : Underperform Start Price: $14.64 VGR Score: -25.04

Short. Cigarette manufacturer and seller is going to face headwinds obviously. Looks like mostly U.S. so especially here. Revs have stopped growing, earnings have been declining and they have quite a bit of debt. And why the heck are they issuing a ton of debt to finance a 10% dividend. Stupid. Not to mention insiders know this and sold over a million shares.

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Member Avatar NovaTodd (27.53) Submitted: 5/10/2013 2:35:23 PM : Underperform Start Price: $13.99 VGR Score: -29.34

This company has been paying out a dividend that exceeds free cash flow for five years now. There has also been a consistent trend of dilution that has been eroding existing shareholder's value. Herbert Stein's dictum that "if something cannot go on forever, it will stop" is probably relevant here. I'm betting on a dividend cut at some point which will likely send shares tumbling.

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Member Avatar shackmanshock (93.97) Submitted: 7/20/2012 12:40:44 PM : Outperform Start Price: $14.28 VGR Score: +1.60

Growth of the middle class overseas.

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Member Avatar BuffettJunior1 (97.67) Submitted: 10/25/2011 12:20:23 AM : Underperform Start Price: $13.69 VGR Score: +6.00

This company is in a declining industry. Smoking is not cool anymore!

Also, has anyone taken a look at the financial statements? This company's free cash flow cannot support the dividend. Eventually they will be forced to reduce, and ultimately eliminated their dividend payments. Once the dividend goes, (trust me it will eventually), so will the shareholders.

In the long run, I am positive this stock will underperformed the market significantly.

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Member Avatar WmHilger1 (40.39) Submitted: 9/13/2011 7:43:20 PM : Outperform Start Price: $14.40 VGR Score: -23.00

I checked this stock out with my daughter. She, and most of her friends who smoke, are smoking the lower priced cigarettes produced by the Vector Group subsidiaries. With wages either staying low or nonexistent (due to the unemployment rate) for several years, this stock looks to me to be on an upward path for several years! And, at a very good dividend!

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Member Avatar JPAKolypse86 (< 20) Submitted: 8/16/2011 2:32:09 PM : Outperform Start Price: $13.98 VGR Score: -17.12

High dividend yield stocks should be a focus for investors until the next election.

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Member Avatar yesand (22.94) Submitted: 7/29/2011 2:48:48 PM : Outperform Start Price: $13.39 VGR Score: +4.11

Ongoing interest in cigarettes overseas.

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Member Avatar BostonJim (< 20) Submitted: 6/29/2011 11:43:03 AM : Underperform Start Price: $13.51 VGR Score: -3.45

Dividend play with limited upside potential.

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Member Avatar wiaggie (< 20) Submitted: 4/29/2011 1:45:47 AM : Outperform Start Price: $13.64 VGR Score: +8.36

Great dividend stock if you aren't bothered by "sin" companies. Revenue driven by sales of cigarettes, but balance sheet buoyed by real estate assets.

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Member Avatar DrRonPaul4Prez (62.27) Submitted: 12/11/2010 8:46:48 AM : Underperform Start Price: $12.74 VGR Score: -6.19

The dividend is simply not sustainable without a major uptick in earnings. And besides that, the P/E is too high.

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Member Avatar CHIEFSLAPAHOE (58.45) Submitted: 10/25/2010 11:07:05 PM : Outperform Start Price: $11.15 VGR Score: +22.48

Not only is this a great tobacco company, They are also in New York real estate, and a new project in palm springs. The worm has turned on there real estate holdings and they will take off.

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Member Avatar MKA1965 (67.38) Submitted: 9/9/2009 11:53:10 PM : Outperform Start Price: $10.28 VGR Score: +12.39

A great dividend stock that keeps paying high {plus10%} dividends with growth also

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Member Avatar pigwings6 (74.86) Submitted: 4/29/2009 6:33:13 PM : Outperform Start Price: $8.45 VGR Score: +22.71

I'm a smoker, and while I hate liggets, there are times where I've had to buy them because they are just the cheaper alternative for my nicotine. They've just come out with a new cheaper cigarette called Grand Prix, which I believe are the cheapest smokes I've ever seen.

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Member Avatar rxedoh26 (< 20) Submitted: 1/31/2009 10:28:17 PM : Outperform Start Price: $8.53 VGR Score: -1.96

nice cigarette company

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Member Avatar AllenSmithee (72.29) Submitted: 12/9/2008 4:50:40 PM : Outperform Start Price: $8.06 VGR Score: +36.25

Low cost cigs for the unemployed in a recession? What's not to like?

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Member Avatar tgauchat (58.30) Submitted: 12/1/2008 12:09:12 PM : Outperform Start Price: $8.02 VGR Score: +23.92

A likely dividend cut may hurt this stock in the short term, but long term profits seem even more likely.

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Member Avatar FlawedGenius (73.43) Submitted: 10/22/2008 2:29:30 PM : Outperform Start Price: $9.20 VGR Score: +4.43

Defensive

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Member Avatar ImStarving (90.84) Submitted: 9/24/2008 7:34:51 PM : Outperform Start Price: $10.62 VGR Score: +28.27

During this recession having a cigarette is definitely something most investors will be doing let alone all others affected. And as soon as one smoker dies another one is born. Tobacco 4 Lyfe

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