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Let Chrysler Die

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November 19, 2008 – Comments (6)

 

In the sea of auto company bailouts, let's set a precedent of drowning the second time you go under instead of the traditional third. Three strikes is just too expensive for the average taxpayer. 

I grew up when the slant-6 was a good, economical, and competitive option, so I don't mean to pick on Mopar. But...

Chrysler, like Harley, has had it's chance and received federal protection or money to help give it the competitiveness it could not muster on its own. Unlike Harley, Chrysler did not use the opportunity to permanently position itself as a market leader.

Parent company Cerberus, as a private equity group, sells their institution partially on the expertise of in-house financial and production experts. They are in place to either turn companies around or sell off the components that still have value. The U.S. government should take no part in saving any part of a private equity group or hedge fund. Let big, private money succeed or fail of its own merits.Chrysler happens to be a $7 billion ($6B if deducting its current value) demerit.

Auto overcapacity is the current underlying problem with the auto industry. Rather than having congress give away money for all Big Three to limp through this recession, why not just solve the underlying condition by drastically slashing one of the three. Any valuable components, like Jeep, and service parts, repairs, etc. will be bought or default to the secondary markets.

And why is congress negotiating with all three at the same time? It's because all three decided that was the way they wanted to proceed. The only voices excluded from the hearings are those of citizens and the most successful auto makers who produce in the U.S.

Congress should just give a $500, 12-month voucher to each household that can be used on any vehicle with a 5-star safety rating that averages more than X-mpg. $25 billion divided by 300 million citizens is about $83 per person. Assuming fewer than half the housholds will use the voucher, $25 billion will still be about the top number. Congress could limit the total payout to $20 billion to encourage buyers to act sooner. Once $20 billion has been redeemed, the offer ends. That would immediately spur auto sales, but for all brands, not just the flailing ones.

All most U.S. citizens ask for is a chance to succeed on their own merits, and that's all the average voter asks of U.S. companies, too.

Lee Iacocca and the U.S. taxpayer gave Chrysler a chance to live. Let's consider giving Ford and GM that same level of support - just this one time. 

 

 

6 Comments – Post Your Own

#1) On November 19, 2008 at 12:24 PM, TDRH (99.98) wrote:

One will go away even with the bailout.   There are 918 cars for every 1000 of driving age in the US.   The market is saturated and none of the big three had the vision/strength/detemination to develop overseas.   

"Cerbrus" should change their name to something a little more primitive.   If they could not see it coming, and chose the former head of HD to run the show, then they should fade to black.   Offer the workers educational assistance to retrain, but let the wheat separate from the chafe and be done with it. 

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#2) On November 19, 2008 at 12:47 PM, moju (< 20) wrote:

Being from Detroit, I agree.  The question is how can this be done without bankrupting suppliers.

Chrysler should die.  It is bewildering that Cerberus is asking for a hand out when they probably intended to hack it up to begin with.

*The only money that should be considered for the other D2 should be from the initial $25B.  Let them use it for survival.  When they strip redundant products that aren't competitve,CAFE standards will be exceeded anyway.

*The UAW and management MUST make concessions. How desperate are they, really?? Two good places to start are executive bonuses and the outrageous pay that union members receive during lay-offs and shut downs.

*1/3 of the loans should be available to the suppliers.  Anyone in Detroit knows how intertwined they are with the automakers and how they have been jerked around by the D3, forced to comply to any terms just to stay afloat.  They will need $ to restructure and serve the 1 or 2 domestics left.

*Oversight and status reports from those experienced in manufacturing.  Could Lee come out of retirement??

*The only reason any of this should be done is to curtail SOME job bleeding for the sake of the economy.   I realize many people don't understand or care about this, but think:  besides communities across the nation whose local economies depend on auto manufacturing, there are over 5 million in SE Michigan alone that ALL depend, directly or indirectly on the automotive industry.  Our home values have been split in half, Unemployment is headed to 10% as we are bleed jobs in every sector, credit is not available, and businesses are closing.  We have been in recession for years already, and we are looking more at what looks like an economic hurricane Katrina and mass exodus.  

If anyone thinks this situation will not reach into their economic world they should think again.  We are 5 Million that will not be buying your employers goods and services, not purchasing your stock, whose entitlements will be costly, and will be coming to a town near you looking for work.

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#3) On November 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM, amassafortune (82.51) wrote:

I am only five hours south of you, moju. The ripples of pain in Detroit are being felt here already. Employees of the Big 3 in Ohio feel the pain directly. There are also some Honda people in this area who are a little relieved to have their overtime reduced. Cranking out Civics 24/7 month-after-month when gas was $4 a gallon was prosperous, but not fun.

The first Civic came off the Indianapolis line this week. Just another sign that the Big-3 have lost or are losing. It's probably too late for concessions in Detroit to do much good. Big-3 management, workers, and the UAW knew with each vote made based on short-term goals, that there might be a day of reconing. That day appears to be here. Twenty-five years of putting value to the customer fourth in line (after executive pay, union dues, worker benefits) has led to this. And each year along the way, the market share graph was clearly showing the direction of the future of the Big-3.  

I am also a long-time fan of Johnson Controls. As an auto supplier, they are feeling the pain of the Big-3, but I'll bet JCI will be almost fully-recovered in less than three years. The difference is a flexable workforce, management with a vision and a plan, and taking steps to get better and beat the competition every day.

The Big-3 executives being in Detroit while new car models are being shown for the first time is a sad symbol of just how lost they are.       

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#4) On November 20, 2008 at 4:06 AM, antonio311 (< 20) wrote:

The only one who should die is the fool that wrote this stupid article!

     Remember Chrysler was on the fore front of the industry thru the 1990's. They started a brand new segment the minivan which they sold millions of & employeed millions of americans. If it wasn't for Chrysler the entire auto industry wouldn't have an ounce of style! As Chrysler styling is the absolute best in the world!

 Also remember 1 thing: Chrysler is the only truly American car company left. They have 90% of their factories in the USA, and sell 90 % of their vehicles in America as well! And 90%  of their employees are Americans.  Chrysler is the ONLY american car company in the entire world, If you like the American Auto industry you should support Chrysler, if you don't like America or the American industry then as an American you should be ashamed of your self!!!

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#5) On November 20, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Mrsiss (< 20) wrote:

I agree with antonio311.Even though i am from the uk,i would hate to see thousands of hard working Americans without a job.Its easy sitting there giving opinions when they probably have no repocussions on you. I purchased a brand new Dodge Avenger on monday and let me tell you what a car it is!fantastic value,great styling and very well put together to boot.Yes Chysler should be helped,yes they do build very exciting cars and yes, America will be worse off without them! Be proud of your car industry as we aint got one!!!

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#6) On November 25, 2008 at 7:18 PM, hotautoworker (< 20) wrote:

Quite frankly, I would like to respond to the person who thinks that the auto workers should take a pay cut...Let me explain this in simple terms so there is NO misunderstanding.  First off, have you ever worked in a factory?  Do you know what it is like to work day after day doing the same thing--getting injuries and illnesses from a repetitive job?  No, I didn't think so.  Secondly, we get this outrageous (as you term it) pay because our union and the corporation BARGAINED it.  (Look that term up in the dictionary because obviously you know nothing of a UNION and what benefits you get from belonging to it!)  Our union negotiated quite a bit of bonus for us and by that I mean extra medical care, retirement, PAID holidays (in which I am sure you get as well) and paid education--we HAVE given up extra things like these over the past years.  I don't see any of the other people getting bailed out on WALLSTREET being asked to give up their little so called extras.  It saddens me and sickens me that so many Americans are willing to sit back and let the automotive corporations that we know it just die out.  But then I am sure the author of these probably drive the foreign owned cars and make minium wage...and probably only dream of going to college!  I suggest you pick up a history book and start with the labor movement--try back in the early 30's to begin with when the UNION brought fair labor practices for EVERYONE--even the people (like you) who do not appreciate what you have.  Furthermore, the auto industry wouldn't need bailed out if gas prices hadn't sky rocketed and the economy had bottomed out.  How can anyone forecast that????  And by the way, the workers shouldn't be condemned for the fact that we have idiots running our corporations and who pilots us!  Why should thousands of hard working AMERICANS be condemned because our business has been sold to the highest bidder over and over...Do you have control over who runs YOUR business!!!!  Before you start running your mouth on wages or anything else, perhaps you should educate yourself on the situation!  WE are the UNITED AUTO WORKERS of AMERICA and WE support SIX jobs in our community--one is probably your minimum wage job!!!

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